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[yuma]

I say mail-mi gets a tech-free Tuesday pass.  If he's as clumsy as you claim he is, Robz, then we should be able to catch him easily on subsequent days.

K, next time I am scum, I will tell my partner to preemptively vanish for Day 1, and then I will say "he gets a free pass!" and no one better stop me.

haven't you already tried a version of that when you were scum with Galz and he disappeared and you ran a buss on him?

Yeah, except we were reversed. He told me to disappear, and then that got noticed, and he had to bus me, and we lost.

bummer...

[yuma]

So Robz is sure mail-mi is scum?

Not sure what else would explain the tone.

I'm more sure you are scum, covering and apologizing for scum or scummy play.

I don't really believe in faking irl stuff to do well in this game.

Mostly wouldnt want people questioning me or someone else posting "my baby daughter raped and murdered, VLA" as a "scummy action".

I don't think anyone here fakes irl emergencies to avoid posting, benefit of the doubt.

i wouldn't expect mailmi to cancel his previously planned thing just because he drew scum though.2

I agree, which is why I didn't put a vote on him. I think a benefit of doubt needs to be given, but it did raise a red flag and as such mail-mi will be under heavy scrutiny from me when he returns, but this conversation has been good, it has given us a lot to analyze thus far.

[EFHW]

@Eevee, that was a really disturbing image, can we keep it lighter please? 

@everyone, mail-mi wouldn't even have been sure the game was starting today.  We were waiting for confirms, which were done by PM.  He posted at 9:30 and the game didn't start until almost 11.

[Insomniac]

Vote Count 1-1
EFHW (3) - Jimmmm, mcmcsalot, spiritbears
mail-mi (1) - Robz888
mcmcsalot (1) - yuma
Not Voting (9) - shraeye, Eevee, EFHW, mail-mi

Deadline: April 24 8:00am PDT, 11AM forum time (EDT)

[yuma]

@everyone, mail-mi wouldn't even have been sure the game was starting today.  We were waiting for confirms, which were done by PM.  He posted at 9:30 and the game didn't start until almost 11.

this is a good point, but not a full point. I feel like often scum have a better grasp of when the game/day is going to start because of their quicktopic. I know many mods will post in the quicktopic and say, "you have X hours until I open the game, finish up your discussion before then."

[shraeye]

I don't get what you're saying at all but what Im saying is not complicated and if you don't understand it that's weird.

I am saying that you seem to be irked that I am willing to give mail-mi a complete pass for his tech-free tuesday.  That is my interpretation of your sarcastic "plan for next scumgame" response.

Eevee also implied that mail-mi wasn't scum for his situation.  You have directly called eevee scummy for his stance.

Suppose for a moment that you're spot-on about Eevee.  Is mail-mi his partner?  Only if you think this is true, should you be upset at giving mail-mi a pass.  After all, if mail-mi is town, then whether it was reasonable or not, anything that gets us to not consider him helps town win.  And as you said, all one should care about is winning. (and feelings)

So it seems to me like your arguments are only cohesive when Eevee/mailmi is the scumteam.  Yet you haven't said that.


Also,
vote: Robz

[Eevee]

I thibk it's weird you seem to want to antagonize me over a simple disagreement in reading someone like this.

[Robz888]

I don't get what you're saying at all but what Im saying is not complicated and if you don't understand it that's weird.

I am saying that you seem to be irked that I am willing to give mail-mi a complete pass for his tech-free tuesday.  That is my interpretation of your sarcastic "plan for next scumgame" response.

Eevee also implied that mail-mi wasn't scum for his situation.  You have directly called eevee scummy for his stance.

Suppose for a moment that you're spot-on about Eevee.  Is mail-mi his partner?  Only if you think this is true, should you be upset at giving mail-mi a pass.  After all, if mail-mi is town, then whether it was reasonable or not, anything that gets us to not consider him helps town win.  And as you said, all one should care about is winning. (and feelings)

So it seems to me like your arguments are only cohesive when Eevee/mailmi is the scumteam.  Yet you haven't said that.


Also,
vote: Robz

I have said that:

So Robz is sure mail-mi is scum?

Not sure what else would explain the tone.

I'm more sure you are scum, covering and apologizing for scum or scummy play.

[Robz888]

Shraeye, my original claim was that Eevee was covering for her scumbuddy. Are you not reading?

[Robz888]

Shraeye, my original claim was that Eevee was covering for her scumbuddy. Are you not reading?

his*

[Eevee]

If me being scum is dependant on mail-mi being scum, shouldnt you be more sure of him being scum then?

[Robz888]

If me being scum is dependant on mail-mi being scum, shouldnt you be more sure of him being scum then?

Is no one actually reading my posts?

So Robz is sure mail-mi is scum?

Not sure what else would explain the tone.

I'm more sure you are scum, covering and apologizing for scum or scummy play.

[Robz888]

Mailmi: Scum or at the very least super scummy

Shraeye and Eevee: Legitimately wrong on point of fact, covering for scummy player, militantly covering for scummy player. Why?

So now I think moreso one of you two are scum.

[Robz888]

Mailmi: Scum or at the very least super scummy

Shraeye and Eevee: Legitimately wrong on point of fact, covering for scummy player, militantly covering for scummy player. Why?

So now I think moreso one of you two are scum.

But this was 100% crystal clear based on what I had already said. Your confusion makes no sense. I think you're trying to trip me up because you know I'm right.

[shraeye]

But are you scum trying to buddy a townie, or are you sticking your neck out for scumpartner?

This is what I read when I was thinking of your uncertainty on mail-mi, compared to what seemed like certainty regarding Eevee.

Do you really think I'm being militant?

[Eevee]

I guess we have to agree to disagree about scumminess of going to VLA.

Robz being this gung-ho is confusing. Its weird my read on him is still pretty null.

[Robz888]

But are you scum trying to buddy a townie, or are you sticking your neck out for scumpartner?

This is what I read when I was thinking of your uncertainty on mail-mi, compared to what seemed like certainty regarding Eevee.

Do you really think I'm being militant?

Yes.

Again, what I said was both objectively correct and crystal clear. That it gave you and Eevee so much grief is hugely scummy to me.

[Robz888]

I guess we have to agree to disagree about scumminess of going to VLA.

Okay, but you're just so obviously wrong.

Robz being this gung-ho is confusing. Its weird my read on him is still pretty null.

Null read on me = you are scum and you are thrown off and you are unsure how to spin this.

Vote: Eevee

[Eevee]

Robz has found all three scum!

[Robz888]

Robz has found all three scum!

Yes, trying mocking me, see if that works.

[Eevee]

At the beginning of blitz, it was another Insomniac-run game. Due to the nature of the format, I was worried people might start faking irl reasons as scum or that awkward situations might arise if people start questioning legitimitate irl claims. Ins responded "I don't think that's going to be an issue, we have a pretty cool group of people here."

Robz, I'm not saying I'm definitely right, it's just my impression and I'm by no means any more of an expert on mailmi than you are. But I don't think I'm so obviously mistaken as you make it seem either. Shraeye and yuma, both of whom I value quite highly, seem to agree with me.

[shraeye]

Again, what I said was both objectively correct and crystal clear. That it gave you and Eevee so much grief is hugely scummy to me.

Robz, you'll have to admit that it's not 100% crystal clear.  Your end conclusion is that mailmi is scummy, and that me/eevee are both being odd.

But along the way, you said that eevee was scummy and wondered aloud if mailmi was his partner, or innocent towny; this feeling conflicts with your conclusion.

You also made a post stating that you were more certain that eevee was scum.

So Robz is sure mail-mi is scum?

Not sure what else would explain the tone.

I'm more sure you are scum, covering and apologizing for scum or scummy play.

It's reasonable to say that you were going through a thought-process and posting along the way, but that is the reason for my confusion.  And my rejection of your statement that your ideas were 100% crystal clear.

[yuma]

I think I see it a bit more scummy than you do. You initially said that you don't find it scummy at all.

Whereas I find it scummy. I do. It was very convenient timing and had no precedent before it.

HOWEVER: I do think we need to give mail-mi the benefit of a doubt... if nothing else if we lynch him w/o giving him the chance to claim we could easily screw the pooch... But once he is back he will start out at a scummier level than someone else who had announced VLA 2-3 days ago for a vacation or busy work schedule or something like that...

See the difference? So I understand where Robz is coming from, but am not necessarily sure it correlates with you or shraeye being scum.

[Robz888]

My thought process was clear, simple and easy to follow. Each thing stemmed naturally from the thing before it. Mailmi was scummy, Eevee defended him, I concluded he was protecting his partner or buddying town which made Eevee scum, the you did the same thing, now I am where I am at.

Maybe what colors this is that I have done those things as scummy? I have gone all out to defend my buddy early, and I have also buddied town uncontrollably. Ive done it in Blitz. So I'm on the lookout for that.

[Eevee]

I think shraeye put it pretty well. Its pretty confusing I'm scummy for defending mailmi and then suddenly you are more sure of me being scum despite the fact that the scumread on me originally hinged on mailmi being scum.

Not everyone who disagrees with you is scum and finding scum teams three hours into day 1 is pretty hard.