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[mcmcsalot]

Scum: efhw
Slight scum: shraeye
Null: eevee, mail-mi
Slight town: robz, spiritbears
Town: Yuma, Jimm

Repost to fix quoting issues.

Shraeye and robz are hit reads off minimal contributions

Seems as how you're already engaging with me and answering my posts elsewhere, this is silliness.

Additionally, your analysis that EFHW "lied" about always RVSing you is pointless.  If it is unusual and therefore a scum-trait, what does that say about you?  If EFHW really were trying to "make up a reason", why make it up in regards to mcmcsalot?

Analyzing that a bit more I'm not sure efhw "always rvs votes me"
In MXIX She rvs voted mail-mi and then omgused Jimm. All 3 were town
In MXX She rvs votes nobody, she was scum
In BMX She replaced in so no rvs.

Based on this avoiding rvs voting is scummy behavior of efhw also she has never rvs voted me, making up a reason to vote for someone(even without voting) is very scummy.

This feels a whole lot like trying to pin somebody as scummy just because they said something unusual.  Nothing EFHW has done yet has stuck me as odd, but you seem to be trying awful hard to build theories to fit your suspicions instead of working the other way around.

I'm just trying to analyze as much as I can before I am gone, is lots of it weak and flawed yes, will I push for an efhw lynch when I get back from v/la maybe, will my reads have changed completely possibly, I see how it looks like I am tunneling and trying to make efhw look crazy scummy, that is simply because we had very little to go off of and I was analyzing something I saw the ability to early on.

If you don't find it scummy that efhw hasn't responded to the case on her because its been such a short period of time, why do you think the person who is making a weak case hours into day 1 is scummy?

lastly your position is based on more than robz, its still weaker than others. Spirit is now in that category.

[Robz888]

i don't think the thing about mail-mi is scummy at allll.

Why not? Gotta bail out your scumbuddy?

[EFHW]

Well, I figured talking anyway even if I'm not voting would help.  I don't like RVS because it seems like even if your vote was a joke, down the line someone will say "You voted for yuma, and he was the IC so you are scum".

Are you saying that that line of reasoning is ineffectual?  Have you ever seen it in action?

It seemed to happen a lot in my first game.  It was a newbie game, so maybe that's why.  But, yeah it is an effective means of misleading people, and I don't want people misled about me.

Let's keep going down this rabbit hole; which players accused whom?  Did the accusers turn out to be town or scum?  Did the accused turn out to be town or scum?

The accused was town, the accuser was scum.  This was the Liopoil/mcmc scum team, and Liopoil distorting Kooshie.  I've seen other, more subtle things, too.  But really, guys it was a joke about mcmc.  So the irony is rich, it's come back to bite me anyway!  I'm not caught up, so this is only a response to Shraeye's question, I'll respond to the other comments as I read.

[Eevee]

i don't think the thing about mail-mi is scummy at allll.

Why not? Gotta bail out your scumbuddy?

I dont think inventing a VLA to bail out from posting is a likely scum strategy for mailmi or anyone really. Not a town tell either, just null.

[EFHW]

Well, I figured talking anyway even if I'm not voting would help.  I don't like RVS because it seems like even if your vote was a joke, down the line someone will say "You voted for yuma, and he was the IC so you are scum".

Are you saying that that line of reasoning is ineffectual?  Have you ever seen it in action?

It seemed to happen a lot in my first game.  It was a newbie game, so maybe that's why.  But, yeah it is an effective means of misleading people, and I don't want people misled about me.

Poe: I agree with Jimm.

I have never seen paranoid efhw before, nor have I seen scum!efhw
vote:efhw

you've seen scum!efhw in masons and monks.  you said I was being too "nice" if I remember.

[Robz888]

i don't think the thing about mail-mi is scummy at allll.

Why not? Gotta bail out your scumbuddy?

I dont think inventing a VLA to bail out from posting is a likely scum strategy for mailmi or anyone really. Not a town tell either, just null.

You're wrong. It is obviously a scum strategy, we've seen it in practice as a scum strategy, and more specifically it fits mail-mi, who is clumsy as scum. So you're just super wrong. But are you scum trying to buddy a townie, or are you sticking your neck out for scumpartner?

[shraeye]

The accused was town, the accuser was scum.  This was the Liopoil/mcmc scum team, and Liopoil distorting Kooshie.  I've seen other, more subtle things, too.  But really, guys it was a joke about mcmc.  So the irony is rich, it's come back to bite me anyway!  I'm not caught up, so this is only a response to Shraeye's question, I'll respond to the other comments as I read.

This is what I suspected; I just wanted to hear how you thought about it.  Thanks for the answer.

[EFHW]

The comment wasn't about RVS'ing mcmc, which I haven't done. It was about how mcmc and I always end up on opposite teams (in the 3 games I've been in so far).   I guess this is 4.  Eevee would be next on my scum suspicions list.  No particular read otherwise, except maybe Jimmmmm for starting this whole silly mess.

I'm going to vote mcmc, but before I do, what L is he at?

[EFHW]

i don't think the thing about mail-mi is scummy at allll.

Why not? Gotta bail out your scumbuddy?

I dont think inventing a VLA to bail out from posting is a likely scum strategy for mailmi or anyone really. Not a town tell either, just null.

You're wrong. It is obviously a scum strategy, we've seen it in practice as a scum strategy, and more specifically it fits mail-mi, who is clumsy as scum. So you're just super wrong. But are you scum trying to buddy a townie, or are you sticking your neck out for scumpartner?

It does seem a bit glib on his part.  But mail-mi can be clumsy as town, too.  And what's the fun of missing a whole day of a blitz game, even as scum? 

[Eevee]

Have seen people faking "tech free tuesdays" to avoid entire day 1s?

Idk, to me winning like that would feel like I cheated. Its possible mailmi's tech free day overlapped with him drawing scum, obviously. I don't think he decided to pull off something like that just to survive day 1, no.

[Eevee]

Why me?

[shraeye]

I say mail-mi gets a tech-free Tuesday pass.  If he's as clumsy as you claim he is, Robz, then we should be able to catch him easily on subsequent days.

[Robz888]

Have seen people faking "tech free tuesdays" to avoid entire day 1s?

Idk, to me winning like that would feel like I cheated. Its possible mailmi's tech free day overlapped with him drawing scum, obviously. I don't think he decided to pull off something like that just to survive day 1, no.

To me, winning like that would feel like I won. This would just be an expansion of scum play we have seen a dozen times already.

[Robz888]

I say mail-mi gets a tech-free Tuesday pass.  If he's as clumsy as you claim he is, Robz, then we should be able to catch him easily on subsequent days.

K, next time I am scum, I will tell my partner to preemptively vanish for Day 1, and then I will say "he gets a free pass!" and no one better stop me.

[shraeye]

But if your partner next time is somebody like yuma who is very sneaky, I would not be giving the same pass.  You gotta consider context.

[EFHW]

Why me?

I was just getting to that.

before reading further and seeing the plethora of votes on EHFW, I was about to point about how being worried about how you are perceived is a scum trait.

Hi guys!

Town read on mcmc for sure.

Now I predict you will say that defensiveness is a scum trait, and it can be.  Your emphasis of your point as coming to you even before you saw the votes and your town read of mcmc are what stand out to me.  Mcmc has been much more towny than this and been scum! 

[Eevee]

So Robz is sure mail-mi is scum?

Not sure what else would explain the tone.

[EFHW]

Vote Count Please

[Robz888]

But if your partner next time is somebody like yuma who is very sneaky, I would not be giving the same pass.  You gotta consider context.

Wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong I think yuma is LESS likely to try that, because yuma can play a good scum game from the driver's seat. Mail-mi, maybe he can't, or doesn't think he can.

[Robz888]

So Robz is sure mail-mi is scum?

Not sure what else would explain the tone.

I'm more sure you are scum, covering and apologizing for scum or scummy play.

[shraeye]

So Robz is sure mail-mi is scum?

Not sure what else would explain the tone.

I'm more sure you are scum, covering and apologizing for scum or scummy play.

but you're upset that people are trying to give mail-mi a pass.

So if you think just eevee is scummy because of it, then there shouldn't be a problem with giving mail-mi a pass.  Eevee being scummy for defending mail-mi is a different argument than "mail-mi doesn't deserve a pass because it's silly to let scum fake their way through zero contribution"

You're making one argument and drawing a different conclusion.  Or possibly doing them both at the same time and I'm just confused.

[yuma]

I say mail-mi gets a tech-free Tuesday pass.  If he's as clumsy as you claim he is, Robz, then we should be able to catch him easily on subsequent days.

K, next time I am scum, I will tell my partner to preemptively vanish for Day 1, and then I will say "he gets a free pass!" and no one better stop me.

haven't you already tried a version of that when you were scum with Galz and he disappeared and you ran a buss on him?

[Robz888]

I say mail-mi gets a tech-free Tuesday pass.  If he's as clumsy as you claim he is, Robz, then we should be able to catch him easily on subsequent days.

K, next time I am scum, I will tell my partner to preemptively vanish for Day 1, and then I will say "he gets a free pass!" and no one better stop me.

haven't you already tried a version of that when you were scum with Galz and he disappeared and you ran a buss on him?

Yeah, except we were reversed. He told me to disappear, and then that got noticed, and he had to bus me, and we lost.

[Eevee]

So Robz is sure mail-mi is scum?

Not sure what else would explain the tone.

I'm more sure you are scum, covering and apologizing for scum or scummy play.

I don't really believe in faking irl stuff to do well in this game.

Mostly wouldnt want people questioning me or someone else posting "my baby daughter raped and murdered, VLA" as a "scummy action".

I don't think anyone here fakes irl emergencies to avoid posting, benefit of the doubt.

i wouldn't expect mailmi to cancel his previously planned thing just because he drew scum though.2

[Robz888]

So Robz is sure mail-mi is scum?

Not sure what else would explain the tone.

I'm more sure you are scum, covering and apologizing for scum or scummy play.

but you're upset that people are trying to give mail-mi a pass.

So if you think just eevee is scummy because of it, then there shouldn't be a problem with giving mail-mi a pass.  Eevee being scummy for defending mail-mi is a different argument than "mail-mi doesn't deserve a pass because it's silly to let scum fake their way through zero contribution"

You're making one argument and drawing a different conclusion.  Or possibly doing them both at the same time and I'm just confused.

I don't get what you're saying at all but what Im saying is not complicated and if you don't understand it that's weird.