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[Eevee]

@Eevee, why are you acting so differently? Why do you think Galz and I have nearly opposite reads on you, when we both know you so well?

Interesting question, I'm guessing you have different biases/slightly different thoughts of what town Eevee looks like. Fwiw, especially mid part of the day this far, I think I've played MUCH like my town self. Like, having a bunch of town reads and no real scum reads and being suspected a lot certainly rings a bell.

Look, Galzria got townier than you in my books after you started suspecting me and he heaviky defended me. My feelings on how scummy people are depend on if they defend me or attack me. This is vintage town Eevee from 10 games back when I was still young and naive!

[Eevee]

If it was Morlock, I'm sure I'd remember!

[Jimmmmm]

Fwiw, especially mid part of the day this far, I think I've played MUCH like my town self. Like, having a bunch of town reads and no real scum reads and being suspected a lot certainly rings a bell.

Is thinking a lot about your Town meta scummy? I'm genuinely asking.

[ashersky]

@Eevee, why are you acting so differently? Why do you think Galz and I have nearly opposite reads on you, when we both know you so well?

Interesting question, I'm guessing you have different biases/slightly different thoughts of what town Eevee looks like. Fwiw, especially mid part of the day this far, I think I've played MUCH like my town self. Like, having a bunch of town reads and no real scum reads and being suspected a lot certainly rings a bell.

Look, Galzria got townier than you in my books after you started suspecting me and he heaviky defended me. My feelings on how scummy people are depend on if they defend me or attack me. This is vintage town Eevee from 10 games back when I was still young and naive!

You are not playing like your normal self, Eevee.  Sorry.  Don't know if that means you are scum, but definitely different.

I think PR Eevee would be different, actually.  You are always VT or scum.

[Cuzz]

Fwiw, especially mid part of the day this far, I think I've played MUCH like my town self. Like, having a bunch of town reads and no real scum reads and being suspected a lot certainly rings a bell.

Is thinking a lot about your Town meta scummy? I'm genuinely asking.

In this case it is because Eevee happens to be scum.

I probably need sleep, I'm gettin' all tunnelly here.

[ashersky]

Fwiw, especially mid part of the day this far, I think I've played MUCH like my town self. Like, having a bunch of town reads and no real scum reads and being suspected a lot certainly rings a bell.

Is thinking a lot about your Town meta scummy? I'm genuinely asking.

In this case it is because Eevee happens to be scum.

I probably need sleep, I'm gettin' all tunnelly here.

Just now you realize you are being tunnelly?

[Robz888]

Well, Eevee's definitely sounding more like himself now. Of course, it was after he explained exactly how to duplicate his town play...

[Robz888]

Fwiw, especially mid part of the day this far, I think I've played MUCH like my town self. Like, having a bunch of town reads and no real scum reads and being suspected a lot certainly rings a bell.

Is thinking a lot about your Town meta scummy? I'm genuinely asking.

In this case it is because Eevee happens to be scum.

I probably need sleep, I'm gettin' all tunnelly here.

No, I'm tunneling Eevee a bit here, too. I need to stop. I just keep coming back to him.

[Eevee]

Fwiw, especially mid part of the day this far, I think I've played MUCH like my town self. Like, having a bunch of town reads and no real scum reads and being suspected a lot certainly rings a bell.

Is thinking a lot about your Town meta scummy? I'm genuinely asking.

Being the biggest wagon from the first post and having to explain all my actions to Galzria and Robz who both (correctly) think they got me quite well figured out after our 15 mutual games does that to a person. But I would agree it's maybe slightly scummy, depending heavily on how good the self meta arguments you are using are.

[ashersky]

Can we talk about lurkers?  I mean, plenty to talk about, but where are they?

[Cuzz]

@Eevee, why are you acting so differently? Why do you think Galz and I have nearly opposite reads on you, when we both know you so well?

Interesting question, I'm guessing you have different biases/slightly different thoughts of what town Eevee looks like. Fwiw, especially mid part of the day this far, I think I've played MUCH like my town self. Like, having a bunch of town reads and no real scum reads and being suspected a lot certainly rings a bell.

Look, Galzria got townier than you in my books after you started suspecting me and he heaviky defended me. My feelings on how scummy people are depend on if they defend me or attack me. This is vintage town Eevee from 10 games back when I was still young and naive!

You are not playing like your normal self, Eevee.  Sorry.  Don't know if that means you are scum, but definitely different.

I think PR Eevee would be different, actually.  You are always VT or scum.

No rolefishing! And he was JK in MX.

[ashersky]

@Eevee, why are you acting so differently? Why do you think Galz and I have nearly opposite reads on you, when we both know you so well?

Interesting question, I'm guessing you have different biases/slightly different thoughts of what town Eevee looks like. Fwiw, especially mid part of the day this far, I think I've played MUCH like my town self. Like, having a bunch of town reads and no real scum reads and being suspected a lot certainly rings a bell.

Look, Galzria got townier than you in my books after you started suspecting me and he heaviky defended me. My feelings on how scummy people are depend on if they defend me or attack me. This is vintage town Eevee from 10 games back when I was still young and naive!

You are not playing like your normal self, Eevee.  Sorry.  Don't know if that means you are scum, but definitely different.

I think PR Eevee would be different, actually.  You are always VT or scum.

No rolefishing! And he was JK in MX.

Just making an Eevee meta-comment.  I forgot he was JK.

[Eevee]

I sort of feel like I'll end up claiming today with a good probability. Should I do it earlier to give us/you more time to react? Obviously not commenting on what I think your reaction to my claim will be.

[Dsell]

Well, to stem any more unnecessary rolefishing, Jo has confirmed that everyone in this game will have some ability or other. No one is pure VT.

[Cuzz]

Well, to stem any more unnecessary rolefishing, Jo has confirmed that everyone in this game will have some ability or other. No one is pure VT.

Shhh, don't tell them that!

[Robz888]

I sort of feel like I'll end up claiming today with a good probability. Should I do it earlier to give us/you more time to react? Obviously not commenting on what I think your reaction to my claim will be.

No, don't. No reason to.

[Robz888]

I sort of feel like I'll end up claiming today with a good probability. Should I do it earlier to give us/you more time to react? Obviously not commenting on what I think your reaction to my claim will be.

No, don't. No reason to.

Not yet at least.

[ashersky]

I sort of feel like I'll end up claiming today with a good probability. Should I do it earlier to give us/you more time to react? Obviously not commenting on what I think your reaction to my claim will be.

No, don't. No reason to.

Not yet at least.

I would at least wait until a lynch is imminent, which it isn't.

[Dsell]

I just went back and reread Jimmmm (and posts responding to him, etc) with a pretty critical eye due to the claims that people were making about him. And I gotta say, he appears to me to have remained very internally consistent. He thought he had a case on Eevee, he realized it wasn't great, which can be embarrassing and frustrating, especially when you really think you'd caught somebody. So he backed off a fair amount, probably too much when he said he didn't want to lynch Eevee at all. But even still, he's seemed townish and consistent to me when he's backed off from that, realizing that frustration at self is not a good reason not to vote someone.

I was also looking for his opinion on me, to see if his position regarding my towniness changed with the tide of public opinion. It did not. He's maintained pretty much throughout that it gives me definite town points but does not make me obvtown, and that if it weren't for my first post, my lack of contribution could look scummy, even though the contributions themselves were not.

So from all of this, Jimmmmmm actually looks quite town to me. Add to this the fact that I think I've been able to read Jimmmm pretty well in some blitz games and you've got one of my top town reads.

[Galzria]

A list of every vote cast to date:

#7 Robz - Galzria
#11 Cuzz - Eevee
#50 Jimm - mcmc
#87 Ash - Eevee
#99 Robz - Eevee
#132 Jimm - Eevee
#177 Gloob - Jimmm
#201 Theorel - Sparky (TheMunch)
#212 Galz - Cuzz
#219 liopoil - Jimmm
#222 Cuzz - unvotes
#224 Ash - Raerae
#225 Yuma - mcmc
#235 Gloob - Ash
#273 Jimm - unvotes
#307 Robz - Cuzz
#309 mcmc - Asher
#342 liopoil - unvotes
#371 TheMunch - Eevee
#393 Eevee - Cuzz
#394 liopoil - Robz888
#411 Cuzz - Eevee
#415 Jimm - mcmc
#418 Theorel - Eevee
#422 Robz - Eevee

22 votes cast.

Eevee has 8 by:
Cuzz, Ash, Robz, Jimm, Munch, Cuzz, Theorel Robz

Cuzz has 3 by:
Galz, Eevee, Robz

mcmc has 3 by:
Jimm, Yuma, Jimm

Jimm has 2 by:
Gloob, liopoil

Ash has 2 by:
Gloob, mcmc

Galz has 1 by:
Robz

Robz has 1 by:
liopoil

Raerae has 1 by:
Ash

Munch has 1 by:
Theorel

And that's it.

Haven't voted:

Dsell, Raerae, Shraeye

Haven't been voted for:
Dsell, Shraeye, Theorel, Yuma, liopoil, Glooble

[Galzria]

The above, juxtaposed with this...:

Time for a POST COUNT. Here is everyone, in order of total posts.

1/2. Jimmmmm 53
1/2. Robz 53
3. Eevee 44
4. ashersky 41
5. Raerae 34
6. Galzria 32
7. Cuzz 30
8. yuma 22
9. Shraeye 21
10. mcmcsalot 20
11/12. Dsell 13
11/12. Glooble 13
13. sparky/themunch 12
14/15. liopoil 9
14/15. theorel 9

The average number of posts per player is 27.

Shows why lurking scum win so many games. When you're towards the bottom of the pool, you just don't get suspected as much. It's sad, but it's true.

[Galzria]

Theorel - you went from voting Sparky/TheMunch, to following him into voting Eevee. Please explain in more detail your current thoughts on each.

[Galzria]

Cuzz, you claimed your first vote on Eevee was just a joke. When you got back to the thread and finally caught up, you unvoted.

What happened between posts #222, where you unvoted, and #411 when you put your vote back that made you think Eevee was scum after all?

[Galzria]

Ashersky and Jimmm - You two both voted Eevee earlier. There's now a wagon on him without your votes. How do you feel regarding Eevee now? More scummy? Less? If each of you accepts yourself to be town, then who out of the 5 other people to have voted Eevee - or Eevee himself - do you think is most likely scum?

[Galzria]

Robz, I've laid out on multiple occasions detailed analysis of exactly the points that I believe indicate Eevee is town. Yet you continue to persecute him. You've known and played with Eevee as long as I have. What do you think makes my read wrong, and yours right?