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[Insomniac]

Alright Frisk let me say this.

1) You know that I'm town, everyone has posted no one has counterclaimed me
2) I DO NOT know that you are town
3) If I were a VT, Mason, Or scum I would ALWAYS oppose claiming day 1.
4) If I were scum I would WANT the Masons to claim day 1. Cuz hey man I've already won that setup as scum, oh wait so have you...
5) The damage is done, you forced us to claim
6) You are in fact a smart guy, and as scum I could see you deciding that it was worth the sacrifice of yourself to out the masons. (I know I would consider it)

7) Because you are giving Robz IC status you have IMPLICITLY called the 'scum team' day 1 of Eevee/Sparky/Grujah. Yet not only have you NOT pointed that out, you haven't voted for any of them

[Captain_Frisk]

Alright Frisk let me say this.

1) You know that I'm town, everyone has posted no one has counterclaimed me
2) I DO NOT know that you are town
3) If I were a VT, Mason, Or scum I would ALWAYS oppose claiming day 1.
4) If I were scum I would WANT the Masons to claim day 1. Cuz hey man I've already won that setup as scum, oh wait so have you...
5) The damage is done, you forced us to claim
6) You are in fact a smart guy, and as scum I could see you deciding that it was worth the sacrifice of yourself to out the masons. (I know I would consider it)

7) Because you are giving Robz IC status you have IMPLICITLY called the 'scum team' day 1 of Eevee/Sparky/Grujah. Yet not only have you NOT pointed that out, you haven't voted for any of them

You're missing one there, and I believe I am voting eevee?

[Jimmmmm]

I'm here too!

[Captain_Frisk]

I would under no circumstances give myself up day 1 to out the masons.  That would be double plus ungood play.

[Insomniac]

I would under no circumstances give myself up day 1 to out the masons.  That would be double plus ungood play.

Strongly disagree. We have no reason to believe that claiming is good play, I strongly believe that it isnt. After 4 games of the previous setup Scum won THREE OUT OF FOUR. Thats 75% SCUM WIN in the setup you wanted to change to.

[Captain_Frisk]

I thought it was 2/3? 

Townwin M4, Scumwin M5, Scumwin M6?

[Insomniac]

Robz is the lynch for today guys, I would like everyone (except SFS) to comment on whether or not they will vote Robz, and why they will or will not.

If no would you support a Frisk lynch, why or why not.

[Captain_Frisk]

Walk me through the scenario in which intentionally giving up scum day 1 is beneficial, even if scum get a mason.

Day 2, there are 2 scum, 3 town.  Mason claims. 

VT Town has a 50/50 chance to guess scum correctly.

Mason could push for random lynch - which leads to town win 70% of the time

[Insomniac]

Walk me through the scenario in which intentionally giving up scum day 1 is beneficial, even if scum get a mason.

Day 2, there are 2 scum, 3 town.  Mason claims. 

VT Town has a 50/50 chance to guess scum correctly.

Mason could push for random lynch - which leads to town win 70% of the time

If there as crafty as you they can talk their way out of it, but we're halting this discussion for now, please answer the questions I've asked of everyone.

[Captain_Frisk]

Are you sure you want me to answer first?

[Insomniac]

I do not care what the order is and it should be obvious what your answer is to everyone

[Jimmmmm]

Robz is the lynch for today guys, I would like everyone (except SFS) to comment on whether or not they will vote Robz, and why they will or will not.

If no would you support a Frisk lynch, why or why not.

Can I ask why Robz over Frisk? I think I would support a Robz lynch if both our Masons thought it was best, but I think at this stage I'd feel better about a Frisk lynch. Will have to re-read Robz to come up with a more solid answer.

[Captain_Frisk]

I do not care what the order is and it should be obvious what your answer is to everyone

I contend that you should care if you had been reading carefully.

[Insomniac]

I do not care what the order is and it should be obvious what your answer is to everyone

I contend that you should care if you had been reading carefully.

I contend that unlike you I don't like wasting the towns time we're on a schedule here.

[Insomniac]

Robz is the lynch for today guys, I would like everyone (except SFS) to comment on whether or not they will vote Robz, and why they will or will not.

If no would you support a Frisk lynch, why or why not.

Can I ask why Robz over Frisk? I think I would support a Robz lynch if both our Masons thought it was best, but I think at this stage I'd feel better about a Frisk lynch. Will have to re-read Robz to come up with a more solid answer.

No, I will not provide that answer, everyone needs to answer the question without my aid.

[SwitchedFromStarcraft]

I would under no circumstances give myself up day 1 to out the masons.  That would be double plus ungood play.

As opposed to forcing the mason out as town? Oh I see, that's only single plus ungood play.  But wait, we're still debating the claim issue, four hours from deadline.  Shame we haven't wasted any valuable scum hunting time.

[SwitchedFromStarcraft]

Everyone, please answer the questions that Insom has posed, and please don't get sidetracked.

[Captain_Frisk]

And Frisk, if you're Town I'd be a bit more careful giving anyone (other than ICs/confirmed Masons) the type of IC status you seem to be suggesting we give Robz. In Blitz VI we were giving that to shraeye for a lot of the game, who of course turned out to be scum.

Frisk is smarter than to think Robz is obvtown at this point.

Translation: oh shit.

[Jimmmmm]

Robz is actually striking me as a bit milder than usual. Mostly he's just agreed with Frisk and tried to find Masons/defend his Masonhunting. Also, there's this.

Ok, what is a vengekill?

If this is sincere, Grujah should immediately be ruled out as a scumspect. He would have to know what the vengekill is if he is in a QT with the other scum.

I wouldn't have thought scumhunting Robz would even consider giving 2 people near-IC status. Robz, like Frisk, seems too focussed on determining who is Town, and I think that's just the wrong way to go about it.

So yes, because of this and what I said earlier about the possibility of Robz and Frisk being scumbuddies, I would support a Mason-led Robz lynch.

[Captain_Frisk]

Robz, like Frisk, seems too focussed on determining who is Town, and I think that's just the wrong way to go about it.

No - its the right way, because AS VANILLA TOWN, you only need to pick one other townie, and then you win the game.

[Jimmmmm]

Really? But everyone's trying to act like they're Town, what's to say the person you decide must be Town isn't just doing really well at acting like they're Town. Also, from another Townie's point of view why should I trust someone who might very well be trying to fool me when they say someone who might very well be fooling them isn't trying to fool me?

[Insomniac]

Robz is the lynch for today guys, I would like everyone (except SFS) to comment on whether or not they will vote Robz, and why they will or will not.

If no would you support a Frisk lynch, why or why not.

Focus guys, Robz is online and hasn't posted here yet

[Captain_Frisk]

He's been online for 25 minutes and hasn't posted.

[Robz888]

Assignment #1: Grujah. Mistake-prone Grujah (what are vengekills?) is scum Grujah.

Funny how yesterday that SAME COMMENT made me a obvtown by your assessment.

Nice 1 grujah.

No it didn't. I was asking other people whether it should or not. Someone--SFS, I think--pointed out that he may have been coached to say this.

[Robz888]

Sorry, came online, and watched this while I ate lunch: