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[Morgrim7]

Everyone, but especially Galzria:

Do you think there's a cult in this game?

no

[yuma]

Everyone, but especially Galzria:

Do you think there's a cult in this game?

I have no reason to think that there isn't--hmm double negative, let's change that to, I think there is; I would have liked to have learned more about eevee's role pm before he died to see if it was a misinterpretation (he misinterpreted his pm in BMMM1 way back when) but aside from that I don't think we have any reason to believe that he was 1. lying or 2. being trolled by the mod (this isn't bastard mafia right?)

[Galzria]

Everyone, but especially Galzria:

Do you think there's a cult in this game?

I have no information that supports the idea, but none that denies it either. If I were guessing purely off meta-reasons I would say absolutely not. Robz loathed the whole idea of cults in RMM, and I just don't think he would include them in the one game he chooses to host.

Eevee's statement was there was a "faction" with night talk, who got something if they recruited him. I would honestly expect something like:

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Neighborizer

Before I would expect a cult. Again though, that's just based on what I know about Robz. Ultimately, I really don't know. But that's my thought.

It doesn't in any way relate to the WIFOM however, and I'm quite happy with the default "don't drink".

[ehunt]

I think a nerfed cult is possible. Why else would Robz have mentioned it as a possibility in the intro post?

[Robz888]

Vote Count 2.5

ashersky (4) -- Cuzz, watno, TheMunch, jotheonah
TheMunch (6) -- eHalcyon, ftl, Dsell, Galzria, ehunt, yuma
Dsell (1) -- Morgrim7
Young Nick (1) -- shraeye
Galzria (1) -- ashersky

Not Voting (8 ) -- sparky5856, Insomniac, Young Nick, Voltaire, Axxle, Cayvie, theorel, Captain_Frisk

With 21 alive it takes 11 to lynch. Deadline is Sunday, October 15, at 10:00 PM (EDT).

[TheMunch]

Everyone, but especially Galzria:

Do you think there's a cult in this game?

I have no information that supports the idea, but none that denies it either. If I were guessing purely off meta-reasons I would say absolutely not. Robz loathed the whole idea of cults in RMM, and I just don't think he would include them in the one game he chooses to host.

Eevee's statement was there was a "faction" with night talk, who got something if they recruited him. I would honestly expect something like:

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Neighborizer

Before I would expect a cult. Again though, that's just based on what I know about Robz. Ultimately, I really don't know. But that's my thought.

It doesn't in any way relate to the WIFOM however, and I'm quite happy with the default "don't drink".

I did not know this role existed.  Cool.  It is a possibility, but cult may still be a thing.

[shraeye]

I'm thinking no cult.

[Young Nick]

No mention of neighborizer in the possible roles that Robz listed, so I doubt that is the case.
I'm not sure what it is, but Cult seems to be the only one that was listed as a possible role, so I will assume that for now.

[jotheonah]

A List of Possible Role and Modifiers (For information on the roles listed below, go here: http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Category:Roles):

Cop, Doctor, Jailkeeper, Roleblocker, Vigilante, Serial Killer, Werewolf, Mason, Neighbor, Lover, Watcher, Tracker, Ninja, Hider/Commuter, Miller, Bus Driver, Bodyguard, Lightning Rod, Doublevoter, Survivor, Backup, Godfather, Jack-of-All Trades, Innocent Child, Mailman, Inventor, Gunsmith, Redirector, Bomb, Cult, Framer, Lie Detector

Modifiers: X-shot, Insane, Paranoid, Naïve, Hated, Random, Post Restricted, Lynchproof, Bulletproof, Strong, Weak

[Young Nick]

Recanted.

[eHalcyon]

I was V/LA yesterday and I am on my phone now so it's not so effective for me to read. Haven't read the last 2-3 pages yet.  I think I will have time to sit down and respond to all those cases in a couple of hours.

[cayvie]

Everyone, but especially Galzria:

Do you think there's a cult in this game?

I have no reason to think that there isn't--hmm double negative, let's change that to, I think there is; I would have liked to have learned more about eevee's role pm before he died to see if it was a misinterpretation (he misinterpreted his pm in BMMM1 way back when) but aside from that I don't think we have any reason to believe that he was 1. lying or 2. being trolled by the mod (this isn't bastard mafia right?)

hmm

eevee was mod trolled in Murder Mystery (he was a seer with no werewolves).

maybe here too?

[cayvie]

Anyway, I asked because Galz's case on TheMunch really reads like scum who's found other scum to me.

I dunno. It's like, the case against TheMunch is clearly good and extensive; why does Galz feel the need to include the weaker bits of it?

Like the thing about TheMunch condemning RVS and making a random vote in the same post; it's mildly weird, but I feel that Galz really has to stretch to make it sound scummy.

[Galzria]

Anyway, I asked because Galz's case on TheMunch really reads like scum who's found other scum to me.

I dunno. It's like, the case against TheMunch is clearly good and extensive; why does Galz feel the need to include the weaker bits of it?

Like the thing about TheMunch condemning RVS and making a random vote in the same post; it's mildly weird, but I feel that Galz really has to stretch to make it sound scummy.

Read back on each person I've done a write up on thusfar. It's called being complete. Sorry I don't half-ass it.

[Watno]

I think Galzrias case on TheMunch is really good. Cayvie, i dont see why you think it is scum having found other scum. Including the weaker points rather looks like Galzria did it in a very thorough way, but I don't see how that is scummy.

I don't like how ashersky picks out a small part of Galzrias case and votes him for it, while in another part of his post galz said that the reason ashersky votes him for doesn't apply. Also the discussion about the size of the wagon and the not-wagon makes no sense at all. Also what ashersky did was defintely suggesting a nolynch in my opinion, even if he claims it wasnt.

I think it might well be possible that TheMuch and ashersky are scumbuddies and TheMunch is now trying to distance himself from ashersky so that in case one of them gets lynched, the other can get some towncred from it. I believe both TheMunch as well as ashersky are good targets for a lynch today.

Regarding the existance of a cult: Since I believe we have two killing factions (there were most probably two nightkills, and I think one of them being a vig is unlikely). So a cult would put us at 3 scum factions, which seems quite much. So I think a Neighbourizer or similar is more likely.

What shraeye says about YoungNick also makes sense, however Munch and ashersky are still the most suspicious in my eyes.

The scumslip Dsell claims to have found in Munch's post just isn't a scumslip in my opinion. It's a mistake, but i dont see how it could be caused by being scum. Maybe Dsell is trying to get more credit for his participation in a possible Munch-lynch and desperatley looking for another reason to add?

[TheMunch]

I think it might well be possible that TheMuch and ashersky are scumbuddies and TheMunch is now trying to distance himself from ashersky so that in case one of them gets lynched, the other can get some towncred from it.

I dont even know what to make of this.  Its so ridiculous I dont even have a proper response for it.  I'm just going to be over here cause I didn't buy tickets to the crazy train.

[ashersky]

I find it hilarious that everyone is focused on me and munch, since we're the of the few that are active.  Everyone else, mafia and town, are just sitting back and relaxing.

On Munch, seems scummy, but no real read past what everyone else is saying about him.  On cults, I have no clue.  In a town this size, I'd guess there are more than two NKs available to people; maybe some chose not to shoot, or hit doc/jk targets, etc.?

[Galzria]

I find it hilarious that everyone is focused on me and munch, since we're the of the few that are active.  Everyone else, mafia and town, are just sitting back and relaxing.

On Munch, seems scummy, but no real read past what everyone else is saying about him.  On cults, I have no clue.  In a town this size, I'd guess there are more than two NKs available to people; maybe some chose not to shoot, or hit doc/jk targets, etc.?

Got me wondering... Time for a Postcount!:

1. ftl: 43
2. Sparky (Voltgloss): 9 (38) - 47
3. Eevee: 72
4. Grujah: 49
5. Insomniac: 67
6. Glooble: 25
7. Dsell: 92
8. Jotheonah: 142
9. Young Nick: 40
10. Voltaire: 81
11. Axxle: 63
12. O: 35
13. Cayvie: 106
14. Shraeye: 95
15. Cuzz: 31
16. Yuma: 79
17. Theorel (ibgtennis): 3 (12) - 15
18. TheMunch: 85
19. Morgrim7: 30
20. eHalcyon: 154
21. Watno: 38
22. Galzria:  109
23. Captain_Frisk:  60
24. eHunt: 94
25. Ashersky: 38

1791 posts. 1505 in D1 (25 players), 286 D2 (21 players). Average posts per player D1: 60.2. Average posts per player D2: 13.6. Average posts per player alive: 73.8.

73.8 could be considered an ideal number. But I understand that not everybody contributes as much as others. So being above or below that number isn't a crime. However for those that are barely at HALF - ie. Those below, say, 40 posts - I've bolded in the list above. They are players that really cannot be considered to be all that involved this game thusfar. Certainly, I would hardly consider any of them "active" players. That said, I enlarged the one that stands out massively.

Theorel: What's going on here?

[ashersky]

@galz -- do you have a D2-only count?  I think that would look quite different.

[Galzria]

@galz -- do you have a D2-only count?  I think that would look quite different.

I could, but it would be tedious from my mobile.

[yuma]

@galz -- do you have a D2-only count?  I think that would look quite different.

if you are so interested and so active why dont' you do it?

[TheMunch]

I was interested so I did it:

1. ftl: 7
2. Sparky (Voltgloss): 6
3. Eevee:
4. Grujah:
5. Insomniac: 8
6. Glooble:
7. Dsell: 23
8. Jotheonah: 21
9. Young Nick: 15
10. Voltaire: 0
11. Axxle: 15
12. O:
13. Cayvie: 17
14. Shraeye: 22
15. Cuzz: 3
16. Yuma: 14
17. Theorel (ibgtennis): 3
18. TheMunch: 29
19. Morgrim7: 4
20. eHalcyon: 18
21. Watno: 3
22. Galzria: 31
23. Captain_Frisk: 10
24. eHunt: 13
25. Ashersky: 13

I think maybe ashersky didn't want to do it because he didn't actually want to know the answer.  7 of his 13 posts were within the last 45 posts, after he was called out.  I am one of the more active people.  He is not.

The most inactive (\leq 10 posts) are Ftl, Sparky, Insomniac, Cuzz, Morgrim, Watno, and Captain Frisk.

[ashersky]

@munch -- haven't been called out for anything yet, let alone lurking.  Look at you own numbers, I am not in the bottom, by any means.

Tunneling town is anti-town.  So, I'd suggest scum hunting, instead of focusing just on me.  I am just being honest here--check my previous games if you don't believe me.  My wagon will be fairly worthless when I flip town.

[yuma]

I think maybe ashersky didn't want to do it because he didn't actually want to know the answer.  7 of his 13 posts were within the last 45 posts, after he was called out.  I am one of the more active people.  He is not.

That is what I figured and why I wanted him to put it together, but thanks for doing it

[TheMunch]

@Ashersky - You have 4 votes on your wagon.  I'm not saying thats a lot but its notable.  I was the last to vote for you.  I went back and double checked, 8 of your posts have been since the last person (me) has voted for you and thats just in the last 2 pages (+1 post from the previous page).  I dont think you can claim that you are getting heat just for being active if 8/13 posts happened after your votes accumulated.

@Yuma - Yeah I'd vote for him again if my vote wasn't already on him.  Reads super scummy to me that he would try to defend himself in this way when its a lie.  Also I dont like the "You'll regret it when I flip town" argument.  Its specious.