Hey everybody,
So, I just spent a bit of time trying to compile a case against yuma & Frisk. Honestly it just comes down to this:
Anyways, I'm more interested in ehunt, Frisk, and yuma. They derailed the Insomniac and Robz lynches to lynch Lekkit. This is the most directly scummy thing that has happened this game, regardless of Insomniac or Robz' alignment. If Robz or Insomniac are scum, they chainsaw-defensed or whatever it's called. If they are both town, then they actively avoided lynching the town that most of the rest of town wanted lynched in order to lynch someone who was second or third on many people's lists. This results in today being a lot focused on Robz and Insomniac (as the likely lynch-candidates from yesterday). If both are town, this is an excellent set-up for another mislynch. ehunt is suspicious here, but he certainly hasn't been subtle about it. Frisk and yuma are kind of hanging back waiting to see where things go, and casting good suspicion on ehunt for his behavior so-far today. (albeit in different ways, Frisk is being direct, where yuma is at least seeming to try to get ehunt to wait until he can express himself properly). Alright, I need to head to bed. So, I'll let the rest of you continue in that vein if any conversation is going to happen. I'll pick it back up Monday morning.
As I mentioned in my last post: Robz was a town-led wagon (volt basically started it, technically Insom voted first, but volt built the case). Insomniac was town-led (I started it). How did yuma and Frisk respond?
yuma says: Robz' defense resonated with him more than volt's accusation. Lekkit jumped on the wagon, votes Lekkit. (Note: he had already made it clear that he wouldn't join the Insomniac wagon)
Frisk's response was actually "I'll see if there's any goko news". But once he gave a full response it was to say:
He suspected Galz more than Insom, and Galz' anti-Robz argument is strongest. He thinks Robz is smart enough to change his game. You know who ticks him off? Lekkit->He says woe is me and does a follow-on vote. Frisk then disagrees with me that scum would bus day1 when their partner is at L-2, and proceeds to vote for Lekkit.
Now, it should be noted, that when they did this 4 other people had expressed a willingness to vote for Lekkit: volt, eevee, ehunt, and Robz. So, they needed just one person to switch. Neither of them vehemently said they wouldn't join the Robz wagon (though yuma had expressed strong opposition to joining Insom's wagon). They just said, "I don't like those two choices, what do you think of Lekkit?" Even calling people out when they didn't join the Lekkit lynch. (see yuma in 791)
There is no doubt in my mind, that yuma and Frisk made the Lekkit lynch happen. Volt, Insom, Robz, Eevee all joined in order to make a lynch go through. That doesn't make those people unsuspicious, but it does make yuma and Frisk the most suspicious. But hey, whatever, town's wrong sometimes. The question is, why the redirect onto a townie?
Well, one scummy reason to redirect onto a townie is to protect a scumbuddy. I find this highly unlikely, mostly if a scumbuddy looks to be going down, you join in as scum because you don't want to be left out in the cold.
The other scummy reason to redirect onto a townie is to set town up to lynch itself twice in a row. So, coming into today, I was thinking as in the above quote from myself, and the redirect seemed scummy. But then yuma and Frisk sat back and didn't push the Robz/Insom situation. Until Galz sees what everyone thinks, and finds all the rest of the town supporting either lynch. His conclusion: those two are bad lynch options. Frisk and yuma's conclusion: those two are excellent lynch-choices. Meanwhile, they make sure to note that they weren't really all that opposed to those lynches in the first place.
The only town reason to redirect is because the original options are more likely to be town. They acted for a while like this was the case, but then essentially back-to-back they switched their tune.
So, starting yesterday afternoon, Frisk and yuma switched from "I'd be tempted to lynch" and "I don't think they're the right direction to go" to Top-two lynch candidates = Robz and Insom and voting for Robz because that's what volt wanted. Sounds to me like they were hoping to get Lekkit, Insom, and Robz all lined up to lynch. 3 townies in 3 days, then they win. When the town started saying, "hmm...Robz/Insom don't seem like scum to me" they respond with, "Hey everybody, we need to be voting Robz/Insom". (Feels kind of like yesterday when the rest of town said, "no, Lekkit's not a great lynch look at Robz/Insom", and yuma/Frisk said, "What happened to Lekkit? C'mon you guys all said you supported that lynch.")
As for why I'm putting them together, I think posts like 952/953 show it well. Or 917(yuma) if you'd like.
So, I'll
Vote: Captain_Frisk. If indeed only one is scum, Frisk seems a bit scummier generally. (i.e. his response to ehunt was to vote him, while yuma's was to tell him to calm down and stop phone-posting)
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