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[Captain_Frisk]

@Galz? 

[Galzria]

@Galz?

Apologies - I can only read and respond to so many things at a time!

It's a tough question. Here's how I break things down:

A) Mafia may not always claim PR. If the assumption is that they will, it's the perfect backdoor for them NOT to.

B) Still, Mafia IS more likely than not to claim.

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• You didn't claim. I'm sorry, but I don't see you pulling off a TINAS (win or lose I will applaud you at game end if you did). You are either VT, or scum.

C) Is it better to lynch VT, or hunt scum? Well, doing this works under the assumption that A) is never true. Consider, if we keep hunting, and find another VT, they claim so, and we move on. If we find scum, they claim VT, and we move on. If we find a PR, they tell the truth, as town often does, and then we're in a bad spot.

Thing is, if we let you get away with this, as town or scum, we're opening the doors to scum of the future. So in that sense, yes, a CF lynch is logical, regardless of if you flip VT or Mafia.

[Captain_Frisk]

Thing is, if we let you get away with this, as town or scum, we're opening the doors to scum of the future. So in that sense, yes, a CF lynch is logical, regardless of if you flip VT or Mafia.

You haven't actually answered the question here.

Galzria - do you agree with RobZ that straight up lynching a vanilla town is better than pushing another wagon?

[Captain_Frisk]

Vote: Galzria

[Galzria]

Yes, I did.

[Voltgloss]

Vote Count 1-13

Captain_Frisk (3): timchen, Galzria, Robz888
shark_bait (2): manda2014, Young Nick
Robz888 (1): shark_bait
Young Nick (1): Eevee
Galzria (1): Captain_Frisk

Not voting {1}: pingpongsam

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch

Lynch deadline: Saturday, July 28, at 7:30 p.m. forum time

[Captain_Frisk]

Yes, I did.

The argument that lynching vanilla town is better than scum hunting has the following logical conclusion:

It would be pro town to claim vanilla town right at the start of the day to ensure that no power roles need to claim.

[Young Nick]

There isn't much time. I imagine if we decide to lynch it would be one of the five who already have votes on them. Thus, we should start to eliminate some of those five as possible lynch targets until there are only two or three and carry on from there. With five targets, it's doubtful any single one will get five votes.

[shark_bait]

Yes, I did.

The argument that lynching vanilla town is better than scum hunting has the following logical conclusion:

It would be pro town to claim vanilla town right at the start of the day to ensure that no power roles need to claim.

I don't see how that works.  Essentially PR's would have to claim VT, or else the mafia would know who they are.  Subsequently mafia would also need to claim VT in order to not be singled out and nothing would be gained other than 4 people lied about their role.

[Eevee]

Fine with Galzria now too.

Vote:Galzria

I'm going to be hasty with my votes now because got this party started too late and dont have enough time. Dont worry, wont be continuing this tomorrow.

[Captain_Frisk]

Yes, I did.

The argument that lynching vanilla town is better than scum hunting has the following logical conclusion:

It would be pro town to claim vanilla town right at the start of the day to ensure that no power roles need to claim.

I don't see how that works.  Essentially PR's would have to claim VT, or else the mafia would know who they are.  Subsequently mafia would also need to claim VT in order to not be singled out and nothing would be gained other than 4 people lied about their role.

It doesn't work.  Regardless of my role - RobZ claims to be happy with lynching a vanilla town - because then a town PR won't need to claim.  If you follow that (that a VT lynch > potentially forcing a claim), then at the start of the game, one person who is VT should just come out and claim it - and get lynched - thus protecting anyone from needing to provide information.

This is boneheaded.  The fact that Galzria hasn't called him out on it is ridiculous.  Lynching me (the first wagon) instead of trying to get more information out of another wagon is explicitly anti town. 

The fact that Galzria is so far and away the least suspected person here - is making me suspicious - and I'm starting to think that this is the way to go.

Least suspected in M3 -> Yuma -> Scum
Least suspected among the non O voters in MIV -> DSell -> Scum
Least suspected in the tables analysis in MIV -> Me -> Scum
Least suspected in M5 -> Yuma -> Scum

Can't talk about M6.

[Robz888]

I am always up for a Galzria lynch, but not today. The right move is Frisk, people.

[Captain_Frisk]

I am always up for a Galzria lynch, but not today.

Wouldn't this statement be a lie?

[timchen]

@frisk: It is, well, interesting, to say the least, that you now try to push a Galz wagon. I find your over-generalization for Galzria's "I did" is not terribly convincing. I do also find it curious how Galz found your wagon best though.

@YN: I don't think finding one to lynch work that way. In your list you do not object a frisk lynch. Are you willing to vote him/hammer when the deadline draws near?

[Captain_Frisk]

Come on timchen - the wagon is moving, and its going for Galz.  Do you want to attach your bus?

[timchen]

Yeah. If he is at L-1 I will hammer my partner.

[Captain_Frisk]

Yeah. If he is at L-1 I will hammer my partner.

My new favorite player: timchen every body!

[timchen]

I thought I am your old favorite?

[Captain_Frisk]

Well - ehunt kindof took the lead with the pull it out of our behind win in M5

[timchen]

Ah. Misunderstand you. Thought you meant the favorite lynch target.

[Captain_Frisk]

Anyone else interested in seeing what Galz has to say @ L-1?

[Voltgloss]

Vote Count 1-14

Captain_Frisk (3): timchen, Galzria, Robz888
shark_bait (2): manda2014, Young Nick
Robz888 (1): shark_bait
Galzria (2): Captain_Frisk, Eevee

Not voting {1}: pingpongsam

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch

Lynch deadline: Saturday, July 28, at 7:30 p.m. forum time

[Eevee]

PPS, we have less than 50 hours left, you really should have your vote somewhere. We need to be really active now if we want to have a lynch today!

[Captain_Frisk]

I think I prefer PPS's vote where it is now than where it was!

[shark_bait]

Despite the fact that most people would be willing to lynch Robz, no one seems to want to get the wagon rolling.  Time to give some speed to a new one.

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Vote: Galz