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Exception to the Rule
« on: June 12, 2012, 01:32:50 pm »
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What a crazy game! The silver pile is empty, thanks to trader, and you've drawn your whole deck. With one action to spare, you can pick between Bureaucrat and Ghost Ship before buying the penultimate province- but good news! You've seen your opponent's hand, thanks to a Cutpurse. You confidently play the Bureaucrat. Why? (Many correct answers.)
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Re: Exception to the Rule
« Reply #1 on: June 12, 2012, 01:37:14 pm »
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You have already played a Ghost Ship that turn.
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Re: Exception to the Rule
« Reply #2 on: June 12, 2012, 01:38:50 pm »
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Quote from: ehunt on June 12, 2012, 01:32:50 pm
What a crazy game! The silver pile is empty, thanks to trader, and you've drawn your whole deck. With one action to spare, you can pick between Bureaucrat and Ghost Ship before buying the penultimate province- but good news! You've seen your opponent's hand, thanks to a Cutpurse. You confidently play the Bureaucrat. Why? (Many correct answers.)

Opponents hand is Silver Silver Silver Trader Nobles
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Re: Exception to the Rule
« Reply #3 on: June 12, 2012, 01:40:46 pm »
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I guess the most obvious solution (to me at least!) is to block Tournament.  And there could be many reasons for that one -- Opponent needs a Duchy and otherwise can't afford it, or maybe Diadem would give him enough coin for the last Province (thanks to last turn's FV or other disappearing villages).
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Re: Exception to the Rule
« Reply #4 on: June 12, 2012, 01:43:22 pm »
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Quote from: Captain_Frisk on June 12, 2012, 01:38:50 pm
Quote from: ehunt on June 12, 2012, 01:32:50 pm
What a crazy game! The silver pile is empty, thanks to trader, and you've drawn your whole deck. With one action to spare, you can pick between Bureaucrat and Ghost Ship before buying the penultimate province- but good news! You've seen your opponent's hand, thanks to a Cutpurse. You confidently play the Bureaucrat. Why? (Many correct answers.)

Opponents hand is Silver Silver Silver Trader Nobles

Gold-Gold-Harem-Copper, with another Copper lost due to the earlier played Cutpurse.
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Re: Exception to the Rule
« Reply #5 on: June 12, 2012, 01:46:41 pm »
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Quote from: eHalcyon on June 12, 2012, 01:43:22 pm
Quote from: Captain_Frisk on June 12, 2012, 01:38:50 pm
Quote from: ehunt on June 12, 2012, 01:32:50 pm
What a crazy game! The silver pile is empty, thanks to trader, and you've drawn your whole deck. With one action to spare, you can pick between Bureaucrat and Ghost Ship before buying the penultimate province- but good news! You've seen your opponent's hand, thanks to a Cutpurse. You confidently play the Bureaucrat. Why? (Many correct answers.)

Opponents hand is Silver Silver Silver Trader Nobles

Gold-Gold-Harem-Copper, with another Copper lost due to the earlier played Cutpurse.
The hand was revealed, thus the opponent had no copper in hand.
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Re: Exception to the Rule
« Reply #6 on: June 12, 2012, 01:47:43 pm »
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The penultimate Province puts you X+1 points ahead where X is the total number of points left available in the game after that Province has gone, so you don't really care which you play.
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Re: Exception to the Rule
« Reply #7 on: June 12, 2012, 01:51:09 pm »
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Quote from: Morgrim7 on June 12, 2012, 01:46:41 pm
Quote from: eHalcyon on June 12, 2012, 01:43:22 pm
Quote from: Captain_Frisk on June 12, 2012, 01:38:50 pm
Quote from: ehunt on June 12, 2012, 01:32:50 pm
What a crazy game! The silver pile is empty, thanks to trader, and you've drawn your whole deck. With one action to spare, you can pick between Bureaucrat and Ghost Ship before buying the penultimate province- but good news! You've seen your opponent's hand, thanks to a Cutpurse. You confidently play the Bureaucrat. Why? (Many correct answers.)

Opponents hand is Silver Silver Silver Trader Nobles

Gold-Gold-Harem-Copper, with another Copper lost due to the earlier played Cutpurse.
The hand was revealed, thus the opponent had no copper in hand.

Oops, my bad.  The general idea still works though! Gold-Gold-Harem-X-Y, where X and Y are not victory cards nor things that would be collectively worth $2.  Things that work include Curse, Loan, single FG, various useless actions.

And a different approach:

Neither attack will be effective (e.g. they are already at 3 cards and don't have any green in hand) but the Bureaucrat silver gain will help with your Gardens.
« Last Edit: June 12, 2012, 01:53:46 pm by eHalcyon »
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Re: Exception to the Rule
« Reply #8 on: June 12, 2012, 02:20:42 pm »
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Quote from: eHalcyon on June 12, 2012, 01:51:09 pm
And a different approach:

Neither attack will be effective (e.g. they are already at 3 cards and don't have any green in hand) but the Bureaucrat silver gain will help with your Gardens.
The silver pile is empty
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Re: Exception to the Rule
« Reply #9 on: June 12, 2012, 02:36:23 pm »
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His hand is Expand, Duchy, Curse, Curse, Curse. 
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Re: Exception to the Rule
« Reply #10 on: June 12, 2012, 02:56:53 pm »
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Quote from: eHalcyon on June 12, 2012, 01:43:22 pm
Quote from: Captain_Frisk on June 12, 2012, 01:38:50 pm
Quote from: ehunt on June 12, 2012, 01:32:50 pm
What a crazy game! The silver pile is empty, thanks to trader, and you've drawn your whole deck. With one action to spare, you can pick between Bureaucrat and Ghost Ship before buying the penultimate province- but good news! You've seen your opponent's hand, thanks to a Cutpurse. You confidently play the Bureaucrat. Why? (Many correct answers.)

Opponents hand is Silver Silver Silver Trader Nobles

Gold-Gold-Harem-Copper, with another Copper lost due to the earlier played Cutpurse.

Doesn't work because the if they discarded copper, they wouldn't have to reveal hand.
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Re: Exception to the Rule
« Reply #11 on: June 12, 2012, 03:28:19 pm »
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My quick solutions:

1. Your opponent has fewer than three cards in hand.
2. You have already played possession and b-crat lets you hurt the hand your opponent will actually play.
3. Your opponent has a hand of harems (e.g. harem x4, curse)
4. Your opponent has a hand of Council room x3, throne room, nobles.
5. Your opponent has a remodel in hand with curse x3, fairgrounds.
6. Your opponent has a single harem, a mint, curse x3.
7. Your opponent has a copy of the only victory card in hand already on top of his deck and has harvest in hand.
8. Your opponent has a hand with HoP, Great Hall, silver, silver, silver with havens giving 5 drawless cards to play.
9. You are in a 3er and you know the other opponent will swindle his province -> peddler.
10. Your opponent has an apprentice engine capable of hitting 2 colonies and has curse x3, apprentice, colony in hand.
11. Your opponent has a minion in hand and will just go for four anyways (the GS will let him keep the green in hand and pick up treasure.
12. Your opponent has menage, estate x2, silver x2 in hand.
13. Your opponent has curse x2, province x2, lookout in hand.
14. Your opponent has tunnel and in hand discarder (e.g. cellar, secret chamber).
15. Your opponent has SP in hand and you want to have better odds of it not drawing his whole deck.
15. Your opponent has HP, silver x3, estate in hand.
16. Your opponent has a Pstone in hand that increases in value if you GS, but not if you b-crat.
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Re: Exception to the Rule
« Reply #12 on: June 12, 2012, 04:04:09 pm »
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Opponent hand is KC-KC-KC-KC-Nobles.
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Re: Exception to the Rule
« Reply #13 on: June 12, 2012, 04:05:39 pm »
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Quote from: Captain_Frisk on June 12, 2012, 02:56:53 pm
Quote from: eHalcyon on June 12, 2012, 01:43:22 pm
Quote from: Captain_Frisk on June 12, 2012, 01:38:50 pm
Quote from: ehunt on June 12, 2012, 01:32:50 pm
What a crazy game! The silver pile is empty, thanks to trader, and you've drawn your whole deck. With one action to spare, you can pick between Bureaucrat and Ghost Ship before buying the penultimate province- but good news! You've seen your opponent's hand, thanks to a Cutpurse. You confidently play the Bureaucrat. Why? (Many correct answers.)

Opponents hand is Silver Silver Silver Trader Nobles

Gold-Gold-Harem-Copper, with another Copper lost due to the earlier played Cutpurse.

Doesn't work because the if they discarded copper, they wouldn't have to reveal hand.

/fail

Edit: I actually meant to make this comment in response to this:

Quote from: theory on June 12, 2012, 02:20:42 pm
Quote from: eHalcyon on June 12, 2012, 01:51:09 pm
And a different approach:

Neither attack will be effective (e.g. they are already at 3 cards and don't have any green in hand) but the Bureaucrat silver gain will help with your Gardens.
The silver pile is empty

Reading is hard for me, I guess.
« Last Edit: June 12, 2012, 07:23:53 pm by eHalcyon »
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Re: Exception to the Rule
« Reply #14 on: June 12, 2012, 07:04:12 pm »
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Quote from: eHalcyon on June 12, 2012, 04:05:39 pm
Quote from: Captain_Frisk on June 12, 2012, 02:56:53 pm
Quote from: eHalcyon on June 12, 2012, 01:43:22 pm
Quote from: Captain_Frisk on June 12, 2012, 01:38:50 pm
Quote from: ehunt on June 12, 2012, 01:32:50 pm
What a crazy game! The silver pile is empty, thanks to trader, and you've drawn your whole deck. With one action to spare, you can pick between Bureaucrat and Ghost Ship before buying the penultimate province- but good news! You've seen your opponent's hand, thanks to a Cutpurse. You confidently play the Bureaucrat. Why? (Many correct answers.)

Opponents hand is Silver Silver Silver Trader Nobles

Gold-Gold-Harem-Copper, with another Copper lost due to the earlier played Cutpurse.

Doesn't work because the if they discarded copper, they wouldn't have to reveal hand.

/fail

Nah, it works, but only if you've played two cutpurses already.
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Re: Exception to the Rule
« Reply #15 on: June 13, 2012, 02:33:27 am »
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Quote from: Dsell on June 12, 2012, 07:04:12 pm
Quote from: eHalcyon on June 12, 2012, 04:05:39 pm
Quote from: Captain_Frisk on June 12, 2012, 02:56:53 pm
Quote from: eHalcyon on June 12, 2012, 01:43:22 pm
Quote from: Captain_Frisk on June 12, 2012, 01:38:50 pm
Quote from: ehunt on June 12, 2012, 01:32:50 pm
What a crazy game! The silver pile is empty, thanks to trader, and you've drawn your whole deck. With one action to spare, you can pick between Bureaucrat and Ghost Ship before buying the penultimate province- but good news! You've seen your opponent's hand, thanks to a Cutpurse. You confidently play the Bureaucrat. Why? (Many correct answers.)

Opponents hand is Silver Silver Silver Trader Nobles

Gold-Gold-Harem-Copper, with another Copper lost due to the earlier played Cutpurse.

Doesn't work because the if they discarded copper, they wouldn't have to reveal hand.

/fail

Nah, it works, but only if you've played two cutpurses already.

You'd need three Cutpurses as the second would discard the second Copper. The third would reveal the hand.
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Re: Exception to the Rule
« Reply #16 on: June 13, 2012, 04:42:56 am »
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You've already played a Ghost Ship, and B-Crat is the 8th/11th different card you need for Horn of Plenty
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Re: Exception to the Rule
« Reply #17 on: June 18, 2012, 08:03:01 pm »
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I think it's funner if we can't use "this or that happened earlier in the turn" and don't use hybrids.

Your opponent's hand is Gold, Gold, Menagerie, Duchy, Estate
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