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[Galzria]

In light of Captain Frisk opening Mafia-I for Popsofctown (who is away on vacation), you may want to just roll Insomniac. Unless you really want his input, in which case I'm not sure how long we'll be waiting in limbo.

[Insomniac]

Roles PM's out. If you didn't get yours PM me. For now please do not talk as we will allow the Mafia until 5pm PDT to talk strategy.

There are 13 people playing.

Robz
Galzria
O
def
Dsell
Morgrim7
Eevee
michaeljb
Captain_Frisk
jotheonah
Voltgloss
eHalcyon
yuma

[michaeljb]

So with all the crossed out text in the OP, I just want to ask about the roles for clarification...is it correct that there are 2 Mafia members, 1 Serial Killer, and 10 Townies? And then for the townies, power roles handed out with the same 2 of 4 system used in Mafia I? Or do we not get to know any details beyond our own roles?

[Insomniac]

You walking around your homeless shelter that you all moved into when times got tough. While begging for twigs one day you saw that Insomniac had been stabbed with a branch in the back. He lay dead.

Day 1 has begun.


michaeljb - Its closed you don't get to know what the roles are

[Galzria]

  Didn't like that Insomniac guy anyway. *Searches his pockets*. Damn. I thought he had a food stamp on him. Looks like he was cleaned out before I arrived. 

[jotheonah]

So in light of the flavor, does that make our town ... a SHANTY TOWN?

[Galzria]

Insomniac:

We *DO* get confirmation on the number of Mafia though, correct? I was led to believe we would have 3. Knowing how many there are could change how we look at votes (knowing how far from a potential hammer we are, etc). I understand if you can't tell us if there is a Serial Killer or not (SO TOWN, ASSUME THERE IS) however.

[michaeljb]

Insomniac - Thanks, good to know.

Galzria - You say he was cleaned out already, did someone already take that branch? I was thinking a branch would be nice decor for my corner of the shelter, but who can find a branch these days?

jonah - I'd sure say so.

So the killers aren't fans of people who don't/can't sleep at night...hmm...

[Galzria]

So the killers aren't fans of people who don't/can't sleep at night...hmm...

Or maybe they ARE people who can't sleep at night, and Insomniac was getting in their way. <Looks at Robz>

[jotheonah]

With so much overlap with Mafia II it's gonna be hard for those of us still alive to keep each other's behavior straight and separate in the two games. I think out of fairness to the new people we should try not to reference the other games unless it's really pertinent.

[Morgrim7]

Ahh, here we are again, Robz, Galzria, Voltgloss, and jotheonah.

[Eevee]

This closed game thing sounds really complicated, especially not knowing how big the mafia is. If they wont tell us that, we really need to coordinate carefully before casting pretty much any but the very first votes, right? Cant think of any power roles that would be too crucial to know about.. not until someone starts claiming them anyways?

If I'm wrong on the latter point, should someone who has played these kinds of games before inform us who havent what kind of roles are possible/usual?

//Fwiw regarding behaviour in other games, I've read most of mafia 1 but nothing of mafia 2.

[Galzria]

With so much overlap with Mafia II it's gonna be hard for those of us still alive to keep each other's behavior straight and separate in the two games. I think out of fairness to the new people we should try not to reference the other games unless it's really pertinent.

Oh I agree. Same holds for the Mafia-I people. My comment wasn't a reference to Mafia-II, rather to the fact that Robz is always up late and does a lot of his posting at night.

[Galzria]

Ahh, here we are again, Robz, Galzria, Voltgloss, and jotheonah.

I know! It's great! Most of the gang from Mafia-II (or the "Over-Analyze To Death Group"), AND many from Mafia-I (The "Point-Fingers And Attack Everyone Group")! Wheee! This should be entertaining at least.

(Note: The above feelings about each group are my own, and may not be shared by others.  )

[Voltgloss]

Ahh, here we are again, Robz, Galzria, Voltgloss, and jotheonah.

MORGRIM IS MAFIA BECAUSE IT WORKED SO WELL THE LAST TIME oh wait

In all seriousness, the closed setup - and the vast array of roles that could be out there - leave me a bit at sea.  I mean, just taking a look at what the MafiaScum wiki calls the most common roles:

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Roles

and my head is already spinning.  Vigilante Townies who can kill at night?  Bulletproof Serial Killers?  Millers who are innocent but get investigated as mafia?  Godfathers who are mafia but get investigated as innocent?  Yeesh.

Has anyone here played before in a large, closed game like this?  Any general comments from those experiences?

And Insomniac, here's a rules question:  When someone dies, is their alignment and/or role revealed?  (That's how it is in Mafia II, but I don't know how universal that is for forum Mafia.)

[Galzria]

This closed game thing sounds really complicated, especially not knowing how big the mafia is. If they wont tell us that, we really need to coordinate carefully before casting pretty much any but the very first votes, right? Cant think of any power roles that would be too crucial to know about.. not until someone starts claiming them anyways?

If I'm wrong on the latter point, should someone who has played these kinds of games before inform us who havent what kind of roles are possible/usual?

//Fwiw regarding behaviour in other games, I've read most of mafia 1 but nothing of mafia 2.

I'm hoping to know at least how many Mafia there are. But if not, we can roll with it. Assume 3, and if it's 2, great. I doubt VERY much you would see 4 in a 13 player game. I would also assume the worst though, and that there IS a Serial Killer. So that leaves 9 Town, 1 Serial Killer, 3 Mafia. As for roles, I would hope there were 2, but that is random, and we can't really know.

If you were to read Mafia-II, you would see that while we are doing much worse than Mafia-I, we are all much nicer about it.  So maybe it's not such a good thing. I'm addicted though (much like Robz), and follow every post on each of them.

[Galzria]

Ahh, here we are again, Robz, Galzria, Voltgloss, and jotheonah.

MORGRIM IS MAFIA BECAUSE IT WORKED SO WELL THE LAST TIME oh wait

In all seriousness, the closed setup - and the vast array of roles that could be out there - leave me a bit at sea.  I mean, just taking a look at what the MafiaScum wiki calls the most common roles:

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Roles

and my head is already spinning.  Vigilante Townies who can kill at night?  Bulletproof Serial Killers?  Millers who are innocent but get investigated as mafia?  Godfathers who are mafia but get investigated as innocent?  Yeesh.

Has anyone here played before in a large, closed game like this?  Any general comments from those experiences?

And Insomniac, here's a rules question:  When someone dies, is their alignment and/or role revealed?  (That's how it is in Mafia II, but I don't know how universal that is for forum Mafia.)

Good post. My assumption was: Mafia, Mafia RoleCop, Townie, and a possible combination of: Serial Killer, Cop, Jailkeeper, and Doctor. Can it be confirmed that Volt is right and there COULD be anything from the Wiki list quoted above?

[Eevee]

Wow godfather looks just insane, how fun would that be to play?  .. and being a Miller would be oh so sad.

Got to admit, getting pretty excited just reading about possible roles on wiki. Maybe it is more fun with more power roles after all

[Robz888]

With so much overlap with Mafia II it's gonna be hard for those of us still alive to keep each other's behavior straight and separate in the two games. I think out of fairness to the new people we should try not to reference the other games unless it's really pertinent.

Oh I agree. Same holds for the Mafia-I people. My comment wasn't a reference to Mafia-II, rather to the fact that Robz is always up late and does a lot of his posting at night.

I was going to mention this--we just can't talk about the other games, and our behavior in them... at least until those games conclude. At that point, it might be useful information. I mean, you know, "Hey Voltgloss is playing differently, etc. etc..." could be helpful information. But it just isn't fair to discuss it until those games conclude, because that person can't defend his behavior without talking about the game, and that's illegal. Anyway, I doubt that discussion would even help us much in this first round, which is going to result in an even MORE random kill, since we have LESS info than usual.

I have played a lot of IRL mafia (never online until now), and I can do a post about some common roles I've heard of or seen. That mafiascum wiki page is a great starting place, although I know about a couple roles I haven't actually read on there. I'll do that post later (much later) tonight. As Galzria noted, I tend to post late at night (after midnight) and between noon and 5:00 PM.

In the meantime, it's probably most helpful if the new people make some posts so we can get a feel for how they behave.

And... I'm so excited for another mafia game! Welcome to everyone. (These forum games have coincided with my complete and utter collapse from a Level 42 great Dominion player to a level 37 only okay-ish Dominion player. I don't think the mafia games are to blame, as I started declining just before they started, but anyway, it's been nice to have something else to do as I try to figure out what is wrong with my Dominion game these days...)

[Captain_Frisk]

As my first game ever (real life or forum), this closed thing has me wondering what I've gotten myself into - so much reading to do!

Also - while I did re-open Mafia I for Pops because I got lucky and noticed the PM from him almost exactly @ 48 hours... I have company in town and will not be seriously active until Monday evening.

[Dsell]

Is there a list of possible roles that could be present in this game? I have no idea what sort of behavior to look for or be suspicious of if I don't know what they could potentially be, and that wiki list is an awful lot to try and keep track of. But...I guess I've said before that I'm up for a challenge...

Anyway, I'm definitely excited to play with such a dynamic group!

[Voltgloss]

Insomniac, another question:  What's our Day 1 deadline?

[Grujah]

and my head is already spinning.  Vigilante Townies who can kill at night?  Bulletproof Serial Killers?  Millers who are innocent but get investigated as mafia?  Godfathers who are mafia but get investigated as innocent?  Yeesh.

And here are some more, from ultimate warewolf:
http://boardgamegeek.com/filepage/35401/player-quick-reference-guide

There are expansions to Ultimate Warewolf as well, and my fav expansion card (though I never played with it) is a "Teenage Werewolf" who is who psyched to be werewolf that he must say the word "werewolf" during each day.  Of course, for it to be useful at all, it has to have a chance of not showing up.

[Galzria]

As my first game ever (real life or forum), this closed thing has me wondering what I've gotten myself into - so much reading to do!

Also - while I did re-open Mafia I for Pops because I got lucky and noticed the PM from him almost exactly @ 48 hours... I have company in town and will not be seriously active until Monday evening.

That's probably fine. Just check in every now and then and you shouldn't receive TOO much suspicion.  No, really though, I don't think we'll be ready to vote as a unit for 3-4 days at least, and possibly longer (I have to assume a larger game moves slower than a small one). So you shouldn't miss too much (although with how active this community is, I don't envy you the reading you'll have to do to get caught up).

[Galzria]

And here are some more, from ultimate warewolf:
http://boardgamegeek.com/filepage/35401/player-quick-reference-guide

There are expansions to Ultimate Warewolf as well, and my fav expansion card (though I never played with it) is a "Teenage Werewolf" who is who psyched to be werewolf that he must say the word "werewolf" during each day.  Of course, for it to be useful at all, it has to have a chance of not showing up.

Does that count as you saying "Werewolf" on day 1 then? <suspicious>