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[jotheonah]

Obviously. Making friends is the most important thing in mafia. The object of the game is to have the most friends.

[Galzria]

But enough of this technical talk. Let's get to the finger-pointing. Galzria seems awfully anxious to get this thing off the ground, throwin his accusations round and round. Suspicious character right there.

Oh I'll never deny being suspicious. Mafia like to keep suspicious people around. The longer I can avoid lynching from the town itself, while still staying suspicious enough in the Mafia's eyes to warrant value, the better the town will do overall in the end since they have a guaranteed +1 vote on their side.

[Galzria]

But enough of this technical talk. Let's get to the finger-pointing. Galzria seems awfully anxious to get this thing off the ground, throwin his accusations round and round. Suspicious character right there.

Oh I'll never deny being suspicious. Mafia like to keep suspicious people around. The longer I can avoid lynching from the town itself, while still staying suspicious enough in the Mafia's eyes to warrant value, the better the town will do overall in the end since they have a guaranteed +1 vote on their side.

Besides, isn't being suspicious more fun than being boring? And I think we've all learned that the Mafia are the most boring unsuspecting people. So who here has been the LEAST suspicious. I point my finger at them.

[Dsell]

Obviously. Making friends is the most important thing in mafia. The object of the game is to have the most friends.

*narrows eyes Leonardo DiCaprio style*

[michaeljb]

Obviously. Making friends is the most important thing in mafia. The object of the game is to have the most friends.

*narrows eyes Leonardo DiCaprio style*

Ooh, he's pretty good at this game. Or at least, he was the second time he played. [/Scorsese references]

[Morgrim7]

Is there a place to get a pic that you do not need to give away info?

[Galzria]

Google image search with link to picture? That's what I did.

[eHalcyon]

Is there a place to get a pic that you do not need to give away info?

Your current image is broken because you're not linking to the actual image file.  Try this:

http://dominion.diehrstraits.com/scans/hinterlands/haggler.jpg

But it's not going to be cropped...

[Morgrim7]

Sorry to sound ignorant, bu how do I crop this?

[michaeljb]

Download it, if you're on a Mac use Preview, on a PC you can just use Paint. Then you'll have to re-upload it.

There might be some place online to crop it, but I don't know of any off the top of my head.

[Voltgloss]

Oh I'll never deny being suspicious. Mafia like to keep suspicious people around. The longer I can avoid lynching from the town itself, while still staying suspicious enough in the Mafia's eyes to warrant value, the better the town will do overall in the end since they have a guaranteed +1 vote on their side.

Trying to walk a fine line between the Town and the Mafia, eh?  What role does THAT sound like? 

[Galzria]

Oh I'll never deny being suspicious. Mafia like to keep suspicious people around. The longer I can avoid lynching from the town itself, while still staying suspicious enough in the Mafia's eyes to warrant value, the better the town will do overall in the end since they have a guaranteed +1 vote on their side.

Trying to walk a fine line between the Town and the Mafia, eh?  What role does THAT sound like? 

I'm sure I don't know. But since I'm the Duke, and I'm outside the jurisdiction of Kingdoms in Mafia-I and Mafia-II, I fully acknowledge that I am the murderer of Popsofctown and Axxle. All other deaths I'm innocent of (including the most recent, Insomniac). I just can't help it! The Duchess and I are in love, and they kept stealing her away. We came to this Shanty Town together, thinking if we abandoned all our worldly Possessions, we would finally be left in piece!

[Morgrim7]

Oh, well. Paint is not working, not letting me upload it. It was worth a shot, though.

Back to Mafia. The Duchess must be the murderer of Insomniac.

[Galzria]

Oh, well. Paint is not working, not letting me upload it. It was worth a shot, though.

Back to Mafia. The Duchess must be the murderer of Insomniac.

I'll have to talk with her...

In all honesty, I'm just keeping things light until everyone has had a chance to check in. The list of names is daunting to keep track of, but I think we still haven't heard from def or yuma. Don't wanna jump in too much until everyone is on the same page. Plus, I want to hear back from Insomniac on earlier setup questions.

[eHalcyon]

Oh, well. Paint is not working, not letting me upload it. It was worth a shot, though.

Back to Mafia. The Duchess must be the murderer of Insomniac.

Nah, Paint works fine.  Here:

http://i46.tinypic.com/2v823y0.png

 

[Insomniac]

Ahh, here we are again, Robz, Galzria, Voltgloss, and jotheonah.

MORGRIM IS MAFIA BECAUSE IT WORKED SO WELL THE LAST TIME oh wait

In all seriousness, the closed setup - and the vast array of roles that could be out there - leave me a bit at sea.  I mean, just taking a look at what the MafiaScum wiki calls the most common roles:

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Roles

and my head is already spinning.  Vigilante Townies who can kill at night?  Bulletproof Serial Killers?  Millers who are innocent but get investigated as mafia?  Godfathers who are mafia but get investigated as innocent?  Yeesh.

Has anyone here played before in a large, closed game like this?  Any general comments from those experiences?

And Insomniac, here's a rules question:  When someone dies, is their alignment and/or role revealed?  (That's how it is in Mafia II, but I don't know how universal that is for forum Mafia.)

Yes

Deadline: 1 Week So June 3

Jotheonah

We should. Edge cases:

SK and mafia target the same person, jailkeeper blocks one or both of them (randomly), mafia kills the SK (randomly (actually, if that happens, does the SK still get his kill? Insomniac?)), other night role that can kill like vigilante, multiple mafia families.

Yes

[Morgrim7]

Oh, well. Paint is not working, not letting me upload it. It was worth a shot, though.

Back to Mafia. The Duchess must be the murderer of Insomniac.

Nah, Paint works fine.  Here:

http://i46.tinypic.com/2v823y0.png

 

Thanks!!!!!

[Galzria]

Insomniac, while you're on, can we get clarification on roles? At least a pool of everything that COULD be in the game? It seems there are a ton on the wiki link most of us don't even know to watch for.

Also, do we know how many Mafia there are (so we can avoid putting anybody in a hammer situation)?

[Eevee]

will be spending the next 26 hours (sadly not a typo) travelling via plane, will need the wireless on air to work to be able to post. (dont know if this was a necessary announcement, a part of me just wanted to whine about having a 26 hour flight (two stopovers though, i guess airports. usually have internets these days)

[Insomniac]

There are 3 Mafia.

I will not list the roles that are available but there is nothing too crazy I promise.

With 13 Alive it takes 7 to lynch

(13) Everyone - Not Voting

[Robz888]

There are 3 Mafia.

I will not list the roles that are available but there is nothing too crazy I promise.

With 13 Alive it takes 7 to lynch

(13) Everyone - Not Voting

Cool! Okay, here are some thoughts on roles and such:

We have 13 people minus 3 mafia. That leaves 10 people. I would guess that at least half of them--maybe exactly half--have to be vanillas. They don't have to be, I suppose, but that's my guess. That leaves 5 people with unspecified special roles. Also, I assume one of the mafia is a specialty role, like Mafia Rolecop.

Jailkeeper, Doctor, Cop: These are the roles that have been used in the other games. I think people are pretty familiar with them. I doubt we have all 3 in the game--they are rather strong--but possibly 2 of them. There are also twists on them, like the Mad Doctor, who kills his target 50% of the time rather than saving it. Who knows if Insomniac went that route.

Doublevoter: This is a weak-ish, but cool, special role. The Doublevoter gets to cast 2 votes during the lynch. Depending on how Insomniac structures it, it can be really easy to figure out who the DV is, making him sort of an obvious mafia target, but... it's interesting.

Shield: Or any other role where the person gets one free "life" in the night. We might have something like that.

Lovers or Couples: I've played with these people once. There are 2 of them. They know who each other are. When one dies, they both die (either during lynch or at night). Other than that, they are just townies. The good thing for them is that they have someone they know they can trust, so they have more info right off the bat. The problem for them is they really have to watch out for each other, and if one says, "I am one of the Couple!" it's really easy for the mafia to score a free double kill in the night.

Serial Killer, Mole, WhatHaveYou: I doubt we have this, if there are truly 2 mafia. 4 killing bad guys seems like a lot. But maybe! These people are part of their own faction and generally have to survive to the end. Neither the mafia nor the town can win until the Killer dies.

Vigilante: This is a townie night killer. He gets to kill someone in the night. He wants to go after people he suspects, obviously, or not use his power. If we have 3 mafia and no other killing role, this might be a logical inclusion.

Those are some of my thoughts. I am sure there are like a million other possibilities.

[jotheonah]

There's also Miller, a townie who reads as a mafia when investigated. Some people suggest claiming right off the bat is good Miller play, though it can also get you lynched day one.

[yuma]

Wow, first day of playing and there are already 3 new pages of info to read. Not sure what I got myself into here.

Thought I would check in and say hi fellow townspeople. Great idea on the avatars. I already had one. As you can see it is of a shark attached to a balloon chasing scientist. Isn't science fun?

My hope for this game is to be as clear as possible in my communication as such I think I'll end each post with this: who I suspect, who I don't suspect and who I am voting for, if anyone. Anyone else not mentioned is neutral (to keeps things simpler I am always going to include myself in the neutral position).

Suspect: No one
Don't suspect: No one
Vote: none

[Captain_Frisk]

Wow, first day of playing and there are already 3 new pages of info to read. Not sure what I got myself into here.

The good news is that it was 2 pages of avatar discussion - I am now avatar'd up as well.

[def]

Oh guys, what have I gotten into here? I went to bed yesterday when the thing hasn't even started, and now it's 3 or 4 pages already. At least mostly no 1000-words posts, but I'm sure that's soon to follow.

For the avatar thing - if everyone of you got one, I'm distinguished by having none.

For newbie advice: do you think it's better to get an overview of what mass of roles are possible, or of only the most common ones, or don't care at all? The twists Robz posted, like mad doctor, and other things I read on the wiki, like (in)sanity, leave me confused, because this way you can't be sure of anything?
But I'm pretty sure that if this is a true Dominion-Mafia game, there just has to be a Jack-of-all-trades!
Or a Goon, Governor, Oracle and Thief.