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Strategies for seaside
« on: May 24, 2024, 11:41:44 pm »
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I was introduced to dominion by a friend a few months ago and got obsessed with it. I just received the base game and seaside expansion. What would be some good strategies for those two.
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Re: Strategies for seaside
« Reply #1 on: May 25, 2024, 04:41:52 am »
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Build an engine with +cards and villages if both of those are on the board and get at least one copy of the best way to permanently get rid of your starting cards on the board as early as possible. Once you're drawing your whole deck every turn, you have a lot of different options depending on what's available and what your opponent is doing; you could keep building a bigger engine that buys multiple Provinces per turn (which tends to be kind of hard to do and unnecessarily slow in just Base + Seaside, but it is still sometimes worth doing especially if you can just build a 1-Province-per-turn engine and add an Outpost to it to effectively make it two), build up to 1 Province + something else per turn which can keep your deck functional while you're greening and possibly let you get Province + Duchy turns later, or just immediately start buying Provinces if you're in a desperate hurry or if your deck can easily handle adding that many green cards to it. Sometimes you have to try to get away with an engine that doesn't consistently draw the whole deck every turn, or perhaps can't quite draw the whole deck at all.

Some attacks like Militia, Blockade and both types of Witches are worth buying early, and some others like Corsair and Bandit can add more value to your deck when you're playing them every turn but aren't critical to get early unless you don't have anything better to do.

If you can't build an engine, usually the best strategy is to buy a relatively small number of the strongest-by-themselves kingdom cards and just basic treasures and other cards like Sailor that boost your tempo without antisynergizing with anything else you're doing.

There's a lot more nuance to it than this but this is the very short and mostly basically correct version.
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Re: Strategies for seaside
« Reply #2 on: May 25, 2024, 02:19:40 pm »
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I would recommend checking out wiki.dominionstrategy.com to get you started. There are plenty of articles detailing the cards in the base set and seaside, and plenty of articles about dominion strategy. If you just want plain strategy, go to the https://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/index.php/Strategy Article, look at the Basic Strategy section to get yourself started.
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Re: Strategies for seaside
« Reply #3 on: June 08, 2024, 12:55:51 am »
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The strongest individual cards to look out for in those sets include:

* Chapel (and Sentry when you have $5 on T1 or T2). Getting rid of your starting coppers and estates means you can draw your whole deck every turn which means you can do a lot of stuff. On boards without those but with other trashers (Moneylender, Remodel, Sailor, Salvager, Lookout), you still want to be trashing your starting cards, but it'll happen slower.
* Witch, Sea Witch. Curses really hurt. Blockade also conditionally curses, so it can hurt when you play blockade to gain the card your opponent really wanted
* Outpost. If you're drawing your deck every turn, Outpost means you're drawing your deck twice every turn.
* Monkey and Wharf. Those can both draw a whole lot of cards without spending a lot of +Actions per card drawn, and drawing cards at the start of your turn helps there. Smithy and Council Room do the same thing but slightly worse than Monkey and Wharf usually. Laboratory, Sea Chart, and Caravan can draw cards without spending any +Action, but those piles are liable to empty before you have enough of them to draw your deck.
* Fishing Village and Tactician. These both give you +Action at the start of your turn, which means if you're trying to draw your deck every turn, these mean you're less likely to draw a dud hand that lacks the extra +Action needed to kick your turn off. Note that Tactician is situational, and it's best when you don't need to play treasure cards (i.e. you've trashed them all and your payload is with action cards like Festival or Remodel)
* Throne room. Can often be thought of as reading "Choose the best card in your hand. Get +1 Action and play that card". +1 Action and do the Witch effect, for instance, is really good. It can even do village things if you play a throne room on another throne room.
* Smugglers. If your opponent gains a good $5-6 card, you can also gain a good $5-6 card.

The strongest synergies to look for in those sets include:

* Any kind of village (Village, Festival, Native Village, Fishing Village, etc.) + Any kind of draw card (Smithy, Wharf, etc.). This is the way you'll usually draw your deck.
* Remodel + (Bandit/Pirate). If you had the Remodel anyway (e.g. to trash your starting estates), then a gold gainer is a better way to get golds (which you'll then turn into province) than buying golds. You can also use Mine or Treasure Map on some boards, but often that's slow.
* Workshop+(Gardens/Island). Fast way to get a bunch of points. If you can't draw your deck, the optimal strategy will often be Workshop+Gardens+(some kind of village). If you can draw your deck, a $4 victory card can be a good reason to take an extra workshop, to put you in a position of being able to score extra each turn.
* Vassal + Some kind of village + Some kind of trasher or some way to look at the top of your deck. Vassal is really strong when you can make it hit an action card, but if it doesn't hit an action then it's awful. It's more likely to hit an action if you can trash your starting cards, and if you can make sure the top card is an action card (via Artisan, Sentry, Lookout, or sometimes Sea Chart or Harbinger), then you can make sure the Vassal hits one.
* (Haven/Island)+Gardens. Gardens wants you to have a lot of cards. Drawing your deck is harder when you have a lot of cards. Island can let you get the VP from a card without having to draw it. Haven can set aside a card before you shuffle, meaning you don't shuffle the set-aside card in, meaning you don't have to worry about drawing it instead of your other cards. Haven and Island are also useful for doing this with Provinces and Duchies, but it's often not worth the extra time to pick up the extra card with just Provinces.
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Re: Strategies for seaside
« Reply #4 on: June 09, 2024, 02:34:47 am »
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Smugglers is weak.
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