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[WestCoastDidds]

Oh, good gravy. I feel like my reads were crap. I was right about EFHW but completely wrong about math.

Awaclus is at the top of my list right now, but no real reason other than vague suspicion and POE of my town core.  I could go Scola or MiX, too. Reading back over doesn’t help because there’s just not much there there, which I guess is why none of us prefer vanilla games. Salted caramel is so much better. (Joth, write us s fun game with lots of PR!)

Awa, what are you running for? And good luck!

[Awaclus]

Awa, what are you running for? And good luck!

The parliament, and thanks!

[WestCoastDidds]

Awa, what are you running for? And good luck!

The parliament, and thanks!

When is the election??

[Awaclus]

Awa, what are you running for? And good luck!

The parliament, and thanks!

When is the election??

The election day is on April 2.

[WestCoastDidds]

How exciting!

[Swowl]

Vote Count 5.2

Not Voting (5): scolapasta, Awaclus, WCD, MiX, Joth

With 5 alive it takes 3 to Exile.
Day 5 starts now and ends Wednesday, March 22nd at 10pm.

[WestCoastDidds]

Well, this is dumb. Come on ya’ll

[MiX]

Yeah it's pretty stupid I agree.

I don't really have the motivation to reread when I think it's scola and awaclus and neither are doing anything today. I'll put effort in F3 100% but today, I might not.

[Awaclus]

Eh, maybe I should reread after all, I don't really feel like catching up on assignments right now.

[Awaclus]

I'm just putting together a compilation of things I think are potentially relevant for each player for the time being.

joth

D1
reads the setup, understands it correctly, and proceeds to frame strictly pro-scum things as pro-town in his analysis
votes joseph, later clarifies that the vote is now serious
doesn't understand why people are voting for math, in his next post he votes for math
accuses gkrieg of faking the townslip
does a fake intent to hammer, apparently by accident
was on the D1 failed math wagon

D2
claims he would have recruited N1 if he was scum
sheeps my EFHW case
was on the D2 EFHW wagon

D3
claims that LaLight (a bit ambiguous who he means) is too scummy to be scum and votes for me

D4
strongly townreads MiX, Didds and a bit less strongly townreads me
posts some vague theorizing about potential scum teams and comes to no conclusion
hammers math

D5
thinks it's me/scola, also suspects MiX somewhat, suggests that Didds should choose the exile

[Awaclus]

MiX

D1
votes joth because of joth's awful argument which reminds him of scum!joth
thinks the mathdude wagon is good and votes EFHW
townreads scola, thinks EFHW is playing too passively
thinks my description of mathdude describes mathdude in every game
questions if gkrieg would really townslip as town (TL note: gkrieg did in fact really townslip as town)
was not on the failed math wagon, allegedly because he's so used to plurality exiles that he forgot to even consider that this game doesn't have one

D2
votes math
claims that he would have hammered math as scum, since that would have been a situation he could have planned for
completely sold on EFHW/math
was not on the EFHW wagon

D3
votes math pointlessly, then immediately votes joth
says gkrieg looks awful, says he just wants to flip mathdude

D4
participates in the argument with scola, is correct
votes scola
votes math
was on the math wagon

D5
waiting for scola and me

[Awaclus]

Didds

D1
posts a lot of stuff that seems irrelevant for the purposes of the reread; I'm finding it potentially noteworthy that there's a lot of it
votes gkrieg because it's suspicious that he isn't around
does the "scum is only one person" thing
votes Joseph
is being helpful by providing vote counts and the deadline in a real timezone whose current UTC offset is possible to look up on Google
doesn't think gkrieg is scummy, willing but not excited to move to math (doesn't actually move to math), townreads me the most
doesn't make it in time to vote for math, tells math to stop casting shade on her for it

D2
votes scola
votes gkrieg for being absent
was not on the EFHW wagon

D3
votes gkrieg
thinks it's math and gkrieg

D4
chimes in about the no exile argument with the correct take
did a reread, willing to vote for math or gkrieg, less suspicious of me, scola and MiX, no idea about joth
votes math

D5
vaguely suspects/POEs me, could go for scola or MiX

[Awaclus]

I'm going to take a break for now.

[Awaclus]

scola

D1
agrees with Didds's logic about there being only one scum (despite there obviously being two)
votes for gkrieg
later explains that he is unsure about the gkrieg vote
missed the deadline, wasn't on the failed math wagon

D2
top scum reads are EFHW and MiX
votes EFHW
was on the EFHW wagon

D3
suggests no exile

D4
makes the incorrect point about it being weird to give scum less info on D3
votes MiX
unvotes

D5
apologizes for the lack of posting

[Awaclus]

Eh, I'm getting a pretty clear impression that MiX and Didds are both town, which leaves scola and joth, both of whom I could easily see being scum, including together. If I'm wrong about that, then gg scum I guess.

Vote: scola

[Swowl]

Vote Count 5.3

scolapasta (1): Awaclus

Not Voting (4): scolapasta, WCD, MiX, Joth

With 5 alive it takes 3 to Exile.
Day 5 starts now and ends Wednesday, March 22nd at 10pm.

[Awaclus]

Not Voting (3): scolapasta, WCD, MiX, Joth

There's 4 of them.

[MiX]

Cool, so I wasn't totally wrong in my scumreads! Although this means it's less likely to be both, but not by much.

I'll reread now, but gut tells me we flip scola first. And yes I'm still scumreading both scola and awaclus more than joth and Didds.

[jotheonah]

Awaclus

D1
RVS votes for MiX based on bold username theory
asks mod Q about # of JKs (everyone else assumes 1)
disagrees with me on the relative advantage/disadvantage of daychat for scum, disingenuously frames his personal disagreement as me being objectively wrong
complains about notifications
offers a drunk DAMA, which one person takes him up on. His response is snarky and unhelpful.
votes Joseph, clarifies the vote is serious (wagon position 2- kinda scummy)
switches vote to mathdude after Joseph wagon fails to gain traction
explains his mathdude vote (towny explanation)
argues with Didds about whether we should be treating this as a 1-scum or 2-scum game, disingenuously frames his personal disagreement as Didds being objectively wrong

D2
says that as scum, he always just kills the players who scumread him
votes EFHW after EFHW comes out against mathdude theory
makes a highly theoretical case against EFHW that in retrospect feels like BS

D3
makes this post sort of apologizing for not backing off of EFHW which I find very scummy
votes LaLight for hammering EFHW
votes no exile

D4
makes (?)joke about how we should have used the modkill as an extra exile
corrects his joke because the NK breaks it
goes back to voting math
explicitly mentions that "my favorite nightkill got exiled"
argues with scola about the utility of quick no exile rather than allowing time for discussion. In this case I do think he's objectively right.
makes a weak excuse for not being the first one to suggest no exile (which now that I think about it, for someone with so many opinions about objectively correct plays is pretty weird!)
pointless argument about whether LaLight was modkilled or scumkilled
convinces MiX to vote for math over scola because he thinks math's flip will be more informative because "if math is town against all expectations, it would be extremely useful to learn that today"

D5
shows up, conditionally agrees on my idea of letting Didds choose the exile
is running for parliament (not alignment indicative, unless you want to insert a joke about politicians being two-faced)
Re-reads everyone but him and posts summaries

[jotheonah]

Having re-read, I think it's extremely likely Awaclus is scum.

I think that it's only somewhat likely scola is his partner.

Basically Awaclus has been on mathdude all game. Yesterday he said that mathdude's town flip would be informative, and implied that it would make scola seem townier (I think). But today he hasn't said anything about what we apparently learned from mathdude's flip, and he's voted for scola.

Awaclus has spent all game lecturing people about how his opinions about what's good for scum and town are "objectively correct" and theirs are not. But when given the opportunity to do something that pretty much everyone agrees is strictly correct play (no exiling with an even number of townies and no PRs), he waits for someone else to suggest it.

He was an instrumental part of the EFHW wagon and the mathdude wagon, the only two successful town exiles we've had in four days. He and I have both been on both wagons. MiX was on neither. Didds and scola were on one each (not the same one).

Given that MiX is getting ready to vote for scola, I think Awaclus/MiX is not at all out of the question as a scum team. Having one scum off/one on each successful wagon feels like how those two would do it for sure.

[jotheonah]

Awaclus is at the top of my list right now, but no real reason other than vague suspicion and POE of my town core.

Hopefully I've given you some other reasons?

vote: Awaclus

[MiX]

Well, it's not me and scola. That would be funny though.

[Awaclus]

explicitly mentions that "my favorite nightkill got exiled"

That's the opposite of what I explicitly mentioned.

my favorite exile got NK'd

[Awaclus]

Basically Awaclus has been on mathdude all game. Yesterday he said that mathdude's town flip would be informative, and implied that it would make scola seem townier (I think). But today he hasn't said anything about what we apparently learned from mathdude's flip, and he's voted for scola.

We learned that someone else was the traitor. (It was you, if I'm not mistaken.)

Awaclus has spent all game lecturing people about how his opinions about what's good for scum and town are "objectively correct" and theirs are not.

And I've been correct all game!

But when given the opportunity to do something that pretty much everyone agrees is strictly correct play (no exiling with an even number of townies and no PRs), he waits for someone else to suggest it.

I admit that was poorly played by me, but it was equally poorly played by the rest of the town as well, and scola, who did in fact suggest it, is likely scum. Evidently it's not alignment indicative. If anything, it's easier to see that no exiling in that situation is good when you're scum looking for pro-town things to do than if you're actually town.

Also, if I was indeed scola's partner, you would probably have to argue that we discussed the plan to suggest the no exile and agreed it should be scola's job to do, which would make no sense if it was true that me failing to suggest it was scummy.

He was an instrumental part of the EFHW wagon and the mathdude wagon, the only two successful town exiles we've had in four days. He and I have both been on both wagons. MiX was on neither. Didds and scola were on one each (not the same one).

Given that MiX is getting ready to vote for scola, I think Awaclus/MiX is not at all out of the question as a scum team. Having one scum off/one on each successful wagon feels like how those two would do it for sure.

Awaclus/MiX is completely out of the question, I'm town and so is he. As scum, I have literally never paid any attention to how scum is distributed between the wagon and off-wagon, I don't really think that's anywhere near important enough to warrant making it more difficult to play authentically.

What I do do as scum is pushing cases on townies only exactly the right amount to avoid them actually getting exiled, which lets me continue tunneling the same people the next day, which I haven't done here — I was indeed an instrumental part of both town exiles and I'm pretty sure both of them were popular enough to have supporters off-wagon.

[MiX]

What I do do as scum is pushing cases on townies only exactly the right amount to avoid them actually getting exiled, which lets me continue tunneling the same people the next day, which I haven't done here — I was indeed an instrumental part of both town exiles and I'm pretty sure both of them were popular enough to have supporters off-wagon.

Is this true? What a weird thing to disclose now.