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[faust]

Vote: Jimmmmm

[faust]

MiX is scum but it's not the exile we want right now.

[jotheonah]

I think Westworld was the last time I won as scum: http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=20403.0

Thanks! I now also have confirmation that you read 200 word long posts.

I try to read everything. And sometimes I even re-read things.

Maybe you should reread that game you linked. I just took a look and you said you won but you lost lol

Oh whoops. I also lost Memento as scum recently. I'll keep digging for a real win.

[jotheonah]

Let’s

Vote: mathdude

Dude seems a little too eager to have wagons.

And that's scummy why?

Town wants to exile scum. Scum just wants to exile.

But what does that have to do with wanting wagons? Having wagons is the best way of catching scum.

Say more about that.

[jotheonah]

I think Westworld was the last time I won as scum: http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=20403.0

Thanks! I now also have confirmation that you read 200 word long posts.

I try to read everything. And sometimes I even re-read things.

Maybe you should reread that game you linked. I just took a look and you said you won but you lost lol

Oh whoops. I also lost Memento as scum recently. I'll keep digging for a real win.

I also lost as mafia in RMM56. Man, I'm not great at this game am I?

[jotheonah]

Ok, here we go: http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=20294.0

[iguanaiguana]

I’m trying something new. Which in itself should probably suggest town for reasons I’m not going to spell out.

New things are fun, let's not exile you D1

But... what Joth was calling "new things" was just him opening the game by saying "Hi Everybody"

How can that possibly be a reason to not exile him?

[MiX]

MiX is scum but it's not the exile we want right now.

Amazing.

Vote: Jimmmmm

Vote: Jimmmmm

[LaLight]

MiX is scum but it's not the exile we want right now.

why not?

[WestCoastDidds]

Hi hi! I am SWAMPED at work today so I am falling a bit behind.

I feel better and better about my EFHW vote.  I am not down with voting for Joth, MiX, LL, or faust.  I don't have any real read on math, e, Jimmmm, Swowl, or iguana.  Who else is playing? The fact that I don't know isn't a good sign.

I should be able to catch up this evening.

[mathdude]

Let’s

Vote: mathdude

Dude seems a little too eager to have wagons.

And that's scummy why?

Town wants to exile scum. Scum just wants to exile.

But what does that have to do with wanting wagons? Having wagons is the best way of catching scum.

Yes, I'm eager to get wagons. It's better to actually get people closer to X-1 or X-2 and see throughout the 5 or 7 days how people react, rather than having everyone at 1 or 2 votes until the final 6 hours when only the few online get a say in who gets exiled. If we get real wagons on many people throughout D1, then there's a lot more to look back at in later days. That's how we could find scum.

So I guess I agree with faust... hmmm, that makes me nervous. Oh well, it's D1. I can change my mind about him later if needed

[jotheonah]

I hate that FDS meta makes it towny to do a thing I consider to be the most scummy (fishing around for a “viable” wagon rather than properly scum hunting).

I actually believe it’s possible to productively scumhunt without forcing a bunch of claims and giving scum cover to pull off a town exile, which is what wagons for wagons’ sake usually accomplishes. But I guess we can agree to disagree.

[mathdude]

Maybe it's that I don't know most people's playstyles well enough to "productively scumhunt", but wagon analysis is the best option I have most of the time.

Regarding claims though... with the setup in this game, won't scum just claim VT most of the time? Or maybe counterclaim something near XYLO? So forcing out claims won't work as well as RMM games.

[Swowl]

Prod dodge.

Reading along. Will be back this evening.

Ppe Math - in my experience, yes

[faust]

Let’s

Vote: mathdude

Dude seems a little too eager to have wagons.

And that's scummy why?

Town wants to exile scum. Scum just wants to exile.

But what does that have to do with wanting wagons? Having wagons is the best way of catching scum.

Say more about that.

Wagons lead to wagon analysis which is good. Having wagons forces people to express opinions on the people that are wagoned when they might otherwise prefer to ignore them. It also forces the player that the wagon is on to engage, which also provides useful interactions.

I think if you went through the games on record you'd find that a bigger number of D1 wagons is positively correlated with town wins.

[faust]

MiX is scum but it's not the exile we want right now.

why not?

If I tell you we'd have to kill him.

[MiX]

I hate that FDS meta makes it towny to do a thing I consider to be the most scummy (fishing around for a “viable” wagon rather than properly scum hunting).

I actually believe it’s possible to productively scumhunt without forcing a bunch of claims and giving scum cover to pull off a town exile, which is what wagons for wagons’ sake usually accomplishes. But I guess we can agree to disagree.

I, hilariously enough, disagree. I think my role fishing in RMM60 is what allowed me to get great reads, and that there is no better way to get them in a closed RMM. In this setup, however, role fishing is very anti-town and should not be done. It does provide excellent reads, but those aren't needed since town PRs are already almost always town.

Viable wagons are in practice the only wagons, and as such are useful for VCA.

Also what faust said.

MiX is scum but it's not the exile we want right now.

why not?

If I tell you we'd have to kill him.

[faust]

Regarding claims though... with the setup in this game, won't scum just claim VT most of the time? Or maybe counterclaim something near XYLO? So forcing out claims won't work as well as RMM games.

I do not think discussing what sucm would and would not claim is a useful topic of discussion. Quite the opposite.

[jotheonah]

so anyway faust is town & Didds is town & MiX is but he's being pleasant and helpful.

idk, nobody's pinging me overmuch, which makes sense because none of you are terrible at this game.

Vote: EFHW

[Dylan32]

"Why does this download always take so long? I just know I'm going to get stabbed in the back here," thought Red. Meanwhile, Orange walked around and saw Blue and Black together by some broken wires in the electrical room, Yellow filling up their gas can in storage, and Purple taking out the trash.

Vote Count 1.2

iguanaiguana (2): 2.71828....., mathdude
MiX (1): LaLight
jotheonah (1): Jimmmmm
EFHW (3): WestCoastDidds, iguanaiguana, jotheonah
Jimmmmm (2): faust, MiX

Not Voting (3): Swowl, EFHW, gkrieg13

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to exile. Day 1 ends September 18, 2021, at 3:00 PM server time.

[EFHW]

so anyway faust is town & Didds is town & MiX is but he's being pleasant and helpful.

idk, nobody's pinging me overmuch, which makes sense because none of you are terrible at this game.

Vote: EFHW

Wait a minute - are you salty too?

[EFHW]

I feel better and better about my EFHW vote. 

I think you have this on speed dial. I used to scum read it. Now I think it's NAI.

[EFHW]

Is there anything there that you'd like to be known? It matters for this game for your interaction with faust.

No, just offering evidence for not having super powers.

[EFHW]

so anyway faust is town & Didds is town & MiX is but he's being pleasant and helpful.

idk, nobody's pinging me overmuch, which makes sense because none of you are terrible at this game.

Vote: EFHW

Wait a minute - are you salty too?

Because there can't be anything in the current game that is scummy.

[MiX]

so anyway faust is town & Didds is town & MiX is but he's being pleasant and helpful.

idk, nobody's pinging me overmuch, which makes sense because none of you are terrible at this game.

Vote: EFHW

Wait a minute - are you salty too?

Because there can't be anything in the current game that is scummy.

This was true before, but not now: what do you think about math's answer to your question?

Also I think it's obvious joth voted you because you were a wagon.