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[Rhand]

Squires aren't in the setup so don't waste your time looking for that.

Do you think your squire is town?

Yes, they seem towny to me.

What about this then?

Setup Information

1. All players that start out as Town- and Mafia-aligned are Knights Radiant

[Rhand]

sorry, I don't know how to deal with threads that move this fast. I now see that we are dealing with EFHW vs cube. I ... don't have a strong preference. And in no universe do I have time to do the re-reading necessary to have one. So, here's what I'm gon' do: sheep the IC.

vote: hypercube

This vote... if hypercube flips town, jotheonah needs to be looked at toMorrow.

settin up them mislynches?

If that’s what you think, shouldn’t you be very uncomfortable staying on this wagon?

[hypercube]

Squires aren't in the setup so don't waste your time looking for that.

Do you think your squire is town?

Yes, they seem towny to me.

What about this then?

Setup Information

1. All players that start out as Town- and Mafia-aligned are Knights Radiant

Without quoting my QT I have to say it describes them as a partial Knight Radiant.

[hypercube]

"Junior Knight Radiant" would be a better paraphrase.

[jotheonah]

sorry, I don't know how to deal with threads that move this fast. I now see that we are dealing with EFHW vs cube. I ... don't have a strong preference. And in no universe do I have time to do the re-reading necessary to have one. So, here's what I'm gon' do: sheep the IC.

vote: hypercube

This vote... if hypercube flips town, jotheonah needs to be looked at toMorrow.

settin up them mislynches?

If that’s what you think, shouldn’t you be very uncomfortable staying on this wagon?

TBH not the most comfortable with either wagon, but what you gonna do? The fact is that if we lynch hypercube there will be 10 people responsible, including you, and it really rubs me the wrong way that you're already trying to single me out as scummy. I don't see that as a thing a town player does in this moment. But hey, I don't know you.

[jotheonah]

Now that cube has claimed, I kind of want to hear a claim from EFHW. So we can judge their merits against each other.

[Rhand]

"Junior Knight Radiant" would be a better paraphrase.

Ok so possible scenario’s:

Hypercube and his squire are both town. If cube gets killed, town loses 2 PR’s. That’s big punishment. Basically a “win more” situation for mafia.

Hypercube is town, his squire is mafia. Killing Hypercube costs mafia a PR. That’s strange design.

Hypercube is mafia, his squire is town. Killing the mafia makes town a bit weaker by costing a PR. This scenario makes most sense.

The Squire is third party. A 3P possibly losing its powers makes for a very unpleasant role to play.

@Everyone: looking at the powers (roleblock, rolestop, lightning rod, watcher), how many windrunners can town have within balance?

[Rhand]

sorry, I don't know how to deal with threads that move this fast. I now see that we are dealing with EFHW vs cube. I ... don't have a strong preference. And in no universe do I have time to do the re-reading necessary to have one. So, here's what I'm gon' do: sheep the IC.

vote: hypercube

This vote... if hypercube flips town, jotheonah needs to be looked at toMorrow.

settin up them mislynches?

If that’s what you think, shouldn’t you be very uncomfortable staying on this wagon?

TBH not the most comfortable with either wagon, but what you gonna do? The fact is that if we lynch hypercube there will be 10 people responsible, including you, and it really rubs me the wrong way that you're already trying to single me out as scummy. I don't see that as a thing a town player does in this moment. But hey, I don't know you.

The vote is scummy if he is town. I don’t think he is though.
I’m not saying I want you lynched for it, just that you deserve to be looked into if he’s town.

[Glooble]

"Junior Knight Radiant" would be a better paraphrase.

Ok so possible scenario’s:

Hypercube and his squire are both town. If cube gets killed, town loses 2 PR’s. That’s big punishment. Basically a “win more” situation for mafia.

Hypercube is town, his squire is mafia. Killing Hypercube costs mafia a PR. That’s strange design.

Hypercube is mafia, his squire is town. Killing the mafia makes town a bit weaker by costing a PR. This scenario makes most sense.

The Squire is third party. A 3P possibly losing its powers makes for a very unpleasant role to play.

@Everyone: looking at the powers (roleblock, rolestop, lightning rod, watcher), how many windrunners can town have within balance?

I don't know their special power, but based on what we do know it looks like its on the weaker side.

[hypercube]

"Junior Knight Radiant" would be a better paraphrase.

Ok so possible scenario’s:

Hypercube and his squire are both town. If cube gets killed, town loses 2 PR’s. That’s big punishment. Basically a “win more” situation for mafia.

Hypercube is town, his squire is mafia. Killing Hypercube costs mafia a PR. That’s strange design.

Hypercube is mafia, his squire is town. Killing the mafia makes town a bit weaker by costing a PR. This scenario makes most sense.

The Squire is third party. A 3P possibly losing its powers makes for a very unpleasant role to play.

@Everyone: looking at the powers (roleblock, rolestop, lightning rod, watcher), how many windrunners can town have within balance?

For this analysis to be accurate I suppose I do need to claim that the special Windrunner power is Bodyguard, so my squire has a way to protect me.

[Greathallscout]

Unofficial vote count

Galzria (1): WCD

Not Voting (2): GreatHallScout, Swowl

I'm on Galz.

[Rhand]

"Junior Knight Radiant" would be a better paraphrase.

Ok so possible scenario’s:

Hypercube and his squire are both town. If cube gets killed, town loses 2 PR’s. That’s big punishment. Basically a “win more” situation for mafia.

Hypercube is town, his squire is mafia. Killing Hypercube costs mafia a PR. That’s strange design.

Hypercube is mafia, his squire is town. Killing the mafia makes town a bit weaker by costing a PR. This scenario makes most sense.

The Squire is third party. A 3P possibly losing its powers makes for a very unpleasant role to play.

@Everyone: looking at the powers (roleblock, rolestop, lightning rod, watcher), how many windrunners can town have within balance?

I don't know their special power, but based on what we do know it looks like its on the weaker side.

I see roleblock and watcher as strong roles though?
There is ninja and strengthener as counters, but using those helps us look for the right people.

[hypercube]

I'm having a friend over to barbeque shortly, so I'll only be phone-available until deadline.

[chairs]

Unofficial vote count

Galzria (1): WCD

Not Voting (2): GreatHallScout, Swowl

I'm on Galz.

Was that unofficial vote count anything but a joke? Or did you edit the quote to not include the other 15 people?

[Greathallscout]

@chairs trying to refrain from wallpost

[Greathallscout]

OK, knee-jerk here is that the squire claim is fishy.

We're in a game where everyone is a PR. So what do you claim to make town say "oh wow we should keep this person around"? Well, claiming that you're not only a PR but also an enabler for another PR would be a way to go. And how convenient that it's something that's not in the (very extensive) setup.

Color me skeptical.

my kneejerk is that it is sincere. i feel like there are other ways of claiming to get a wagon to cool especially if there is another one going on. And this claim can be proven.

[Rhand]

OK, knee-jerk here is that the squire claim is fishy.

We're in a game where everyone is a PR. So what do you claim to make town say "oh wow we should keep this person around"? Well, claiming that you're not only a PR but also an enabler for another PR would be a way to go. And how convenient that it's something that's not in the (very extensive) setup.

Color me skeptical.

my kneejerk is that it is sincere. i feel like there are other ways of claiming to get a wagon to cool especially if there is another one going on. And this claim can be proven.

I’m pretty sure he has a squire. But that doesn’t make him town.

The bodyguard interaction is cute though, that raises the t/t chances a bit.
Still, how many watchers and roleblockers can 1 town have to remain balanced?

[faust]

I think the claim looks good. It seems like a difficult thing to lie about. He could still be scum with that role, I guess, but there are better lynches.

[Greathallscout]

Squires aren't in the setup so don't waste your time looking for that.

Do you think your squire is town?

Yes, they seem towny to me.

What about this then?

Setup Information

1. All players that start out as Town- and Mafia-aligned are Knights Radiant

Without quoting my QT I have to say it describes them as a partial Knight Radiant.

based on the book i think it would be a stretch to call a squire a Knight-radiant at all. That being said i agree that the squire as a third party seems weak. And as i said in my last post- it seems sincere so I'm not sure what to make of this. I'm leaning on swallowing the theme.

[faust]

Still, how many watchers and roleblockers can 1 town have to remain balanced?

I don't think that's a good argument. Most of the Surges are pretty powerful, and yet we know that all townies have access to 2 of them. Having 2 Watcher/Roleblockers is not more or less balanced than having a Watcher/Roleblocker and a Cop/Doctor.

[Rhand]

I think the claim looks good. It seems like a difficult thing to lie about. He could still be scum with that role, I guess, but there are better lynches.

What is your guess on max. number of windrunners in town?

[faust]

I think the claim looks good. It seems like a difficult thing to lie about. He could still be scum with that role, I guess, but there are better lynches.

What is your guess on max. number of windrunners in town?

13.

[Rhand]

I think the claim looks good. It seems like a difficult thing to lie about. He could still be scum with that role, I guess, but there are better lynches.

What is your guess on max. number of windrunners in town?

13.

Sigh. I don’t know why I even bother.

[faust]

I think the claim looks good. It seems like a difficult thing to lie about. He could still be scum with that role, I guess, but there are better lynches.

What is your guess on max. number of windrunners in town?

13.

Sigh. I don’t know why I even bother.

I just don't think outguessing the mod is useful here. We do not have nearly enough information on the setup, we don't even know how many scum there are. How can we make meaningful estimates for how many of a particular role there are?

[Glooble]

How long do we have until deadline?