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Quote from: -Stef- on March 02, 2020, 11:35:39 amQuote from: IceHot on March 02, 2020, 11:31:25 amSo kiln does not interact with wish...is that because it is not in the supply or (the lose track rule)?it's because wishes are not in the supplyI am trying to understand why Wish won't work. Kiln says you gain a copy of the next card that you play that turn. It doesn't say anything about that card having to be from the supply or having to remain in the play area. So if you play Wish, even though it leaves the play area to go back to its pile, doesn't it still count as having been played after Kiln, and therefore you would be able to gain a new Wish?
Quote from: IceHot on March 02, 2020, 11:31:25 amSo kiln does not interact with wish...is that because it is not in the supply or (the lose track rule)?it's because wishes are not in the supply
So kiln does not interact with wish...is that because it is not in the supply or (the lose track rule)?
Quote from: Willvon on March 02, 2020, 03:47:46 pmQuote from: -Stef- on March 02, 2020, 11:35:39 amQuote from: IceHot on March 02, 2020, 11:31:25 amSo kiln does not interact with wish...is that because it is not in the supply or (the lose track rule)?it's because wishes are not in the supplyI am trying to understand why Wish won't work. Kiln says you gain a copy of the next card that you play that turn. It doesn't say anything about that card having to be from the supply or having to remain in the play area. So if you play Wish, even though it leaves the play area to go back to its pile, doesn't it still count as having been played after Kiln, and therefore you would be able to gain a new Wish?Any time a card tells you to gain a card, it automatically means from the supply, unless it is telling you to gain it from a specific place (like "from the Wish pile", or if it is telling you to gain a specifically named card (as of the recent errata, simply "Gain a Wish" would work because it names "Wish" specifically". But for any other instruction to gain a card, the card you gain must be in the supply.
Quote from: GendoIkari on March 02, 2020, 04:24:22 pmQuote from: Willvon on March 02, 2020, 03:47:46 pmQuote from: -Stef- on March 02, 2020, 11:35:39 amQuote from: IceHot on March 02, 2020, 11:31:25 amSo kiln does not interact with wish...is that because it is not in the supply or (the lose track rule)?it's because wishes are not in the supplyI am trying to understand why Wish won't work. Kiln says you gain a copy of the next card that you play that turn. It doesn't say anything about that card having to be from the supply or having to remain in the play area. So if you play Wish, even though it leaves the play area to go back to its pile, doesn't it still count as having been played after Kiln, and therefore you would be able to gain a new Wish?Any time a card tells you to gain a card, it automatically means from the supply, unless it is telling you to gain it from a specific place (like "from the Wish pile", or if it is telling you to gain a specifically named card (as of the recent errata, simply "Gain a Wish" would work because it names "Wish" specifically". But for any other instruction to gain a card, the card you gain must be in the supply.It's actually slightly trickier; "gain a Duchy" on Count won't gain a Duchy you left in the box because you only had 2 players. But yes. By default you only gain from the Supply, for Workshop etc.; cards that specifically gain non-supply cards can gain them, even by just saying "gain a Wish."
Quote from: Donald X. on March 02, 2020, 04:43:25 pmQuote from: GendoIkari on March 02, 2020, 04:24:22 pmQuote from: Willvon on March 02, 2020, 03:47:46 pmQuote from: -Stef- on March 02, 2020, 11:35:39 amQuote from: IceHot on March 02, 2020, 11:31:25 amSo kiln does not interact with wish...is that because it is not in the supply or (the lose track rule)?it's because wishes are not in the supplyI am trying to understand why Wish won't work. Kiln says you gain a copy of the next card that you play that turn. It doesn't say anything about that card having to be from the supply or having to remain in the play area. So if you play Wish, even though it leaves the play area to go back to its pile, doesn't it still count as having been played after Kiln, and therefore you would be able to gain a new Wish?Any time a card tells you to gain a card, it automatically means from the supply, unless it is telling you to gain it from a specific place (like "from the Wish pile", or if it is telling you to gain a specifically named card (as of the recent errata, simply "Gain a Wish" would work because it names "Wish" specifically". But for any other instruction to gain a card, the card you gain must be in the supply.It's actually slightly trickier; "gain a Duchy" on Count won't gain a Duchy you left in the box because you only had 2 players. But yes. By default you only gain from the Supply, for Workshop etc.; cards that specifically gain non-supply cards can gain them, even by just saying "gain a Wish.""Gain a card from the box" should appear on a card somewhere
I wasn't prompted as to whether I want to gain a Sheepdog. Should I have been?
d plays a Throne Room. d plays a Kiln. d gets +$2. d plays a Kiln again. d gains a Kiln. d reacts with a Sheepdog. d plays a Sheepdog. d draws a Sentry and a Kiln. d gets +$2. I wasn't prompted as to whether I want to gain a Sheepdog. Should I have been?
Quote from: dpm on March 02, 2020, 06:03:41 pmd plays a Throne Room. d plays a Kiln. d gets +$2. d plays a Kiln again. d gains a Kiln. d reacts with a Sheepdog. d plays a Sheepdog. d draws a Sentry and a Kiln. d gets +$2. I wasn't prompted as to whether I want to gain a Sheepdog. Should I have been?The second play of Kiln hasn't done anything yet - it hasn't given you +$2, and hasn't set in motion "the next time you play a card..." Gaining Kiln was "first" and that's before any of the text. So, you should not have been asked if you wanted a Sheepdog.
Yeah this is just like the Priest Sewers thing, right?
Quote from: GendoIkari on March 02, 2020, 08:35:40 pmYeah this is just like the Priest Sewers thing, right?I hope not.
"use Villagers while you can"
Quote from: mxdata on March 02, 2020, 08:57:23 pm"use Villagers while you can"I would have expected that one could use Villagers after playing Snowy Village. To no effect.
Just realized Villa would interact weirdly with Snowy Village. If you bought it after having used up all your actions, it would still go into your hand, and you'd still return to your Action phase, but you'd enter that phase with 0 actions!
In a bot game, I tried to Throne a Barge. I used the first to gain 3 cards and a Buy on this turn, and the second to gain 3 Cards and a Buy on the next turn. Got the 3 cards and a Buy on the current turn, but not on the next turn. Working as intended? If so, how do you figure?
Quote from: TheMathProf on March 02, 2020, 11:21:54 pmIn a bot game, I tried to Throne a Barge. I used the first to gain 3 cards and a Buy on this turn, and the second to gain 3 Cards and a Buy on the next turn. Got the 3 cards and a Buy on the current turn, but not on the next turn. Working as intended? If so, how do you figure?Definitely sounds like a bug. You should be able to make a different choice with each play, so a Throned Barge definitely should let you get +3 Cards +1 Buy on both your current turn and your next turn (or +6 Cards +2 Buys on the current turn or +6 Cards +2 Buys on the next turn for that matter, depending on your choices). Did the server discard your Barge on the turn you played it on?
So, I'm trying out Snowy Village on Dominion Online, in a kingdom that uses villagers, and when I play it, it asks me if I want to "use Villagers while you can". So, apparently you get the option of using villagers immediately after playing it. I'm guessing that will be in the FAQ for the card?
Quote from: Donald X. on March 02, 2020, 08:55:20 pmQuote from: GendoIkari on March 02, 2020, 08:35:40 pmYeah this is just like the Priest Sewers thing, right?I hope not.I think it was more of a rules comparison than a power comparison.