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[EFHW]

Eddie, if we lynch you, you still die, right? After your vengekill. It seems implausible that you would be able to use the doc power if you are lynched.

So, lynch me, mail mi kills Eddie, who probably can't doctor himself. Tomorrow there are 2 Dornians, 1 scum and 1 town. Kingmaker. Dornians win for sure, scum 50:50 depending on their choice.

or

Lynch Eddie, he kills someone nontown (he says he'll kill a Dornian because he's hoping that will make them want to lynch me) and scum kills town. Both town are dead then. Scum wins with 2:2. Dornians are 50:50 depending on if the right one survives.

[ashersky]

Vote Count 5.3:

uncleeurope (4): EFHW, WCD, mail-mi, DatSwan
EFHW (2): uncle, skip

Not Voting (0):

With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Day 5 ends on May 17 at 9:00 p.m.

[mail-mi]

Vote Count 5.3:

uncleeurope (4): EFHW, WCD, mail-mi, DatSwan
EFHW (2): uncle, skip

Not Voting (0):

With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Day 5 ends on May 17 at 9:00 p.m.

...what?

Did votes not get reset?

Is Eddie lynchproof for the rest of the day?

[EFHW]

This looks to like we have to threaten to kill a Dornian if I am lynched. Then they have 50:50 chance in both scenarios.

PPE maybe Eddie has been bluffing after all.

[EFHW]

Assuming this is all true, there are a couple scum-Dornian deals I can think of that would be mutually beneficial,  but would require large amounts of trust.

[Swowl]

Let's hold off on complicating things a smig until we get an answer from eddie as to what exactly is going on. Because... bro... this isn't how you said it would go down.

[EFHW]

For example,  we could lynch me in exchange for being chosen in kingmaker.

Maybe there's only one deal. We can't do much to help them in the lynch Eddie scenario.

PPE Sure, that's fine. Just getting my thoughts down.

[Uncleeurope]

Nope, I wasn't lying.

I just reread my ability, and it doesn't say explicitly that it clears the current votes, it just makes the first set not matter. As well as calling for a second vote, which I assume has happened now.

I just assumed my ability cleared the old vote. It's weird that it doesn't.

Vote: EFHW

I am just going to assume that the second vote starts now, just in case.

[Uncleeurope]

Let's hold off on complicating things a smig until we get an answer from eddie as to what exactly is going on. Because... bro... this isn't how you said it would go down.

No idea, it isn't happening like I assumed it would, either.

The function is certainly the same, though, even if it isn't presented in the way I assumed.

[Uncleeurope]

And yes, I can still be lynched here.

[Uncleeurope]

Eddie, if we lynch you, you still die, right? After your vengekill. It seems implausible that you would be able to use the doc power if you are lynched.

So, lynch me, mail mi kills Eddie, who probably can't doctor himself. Tomorrow there are 2 Dornians, 1 scum and 1 town. Kingmaker. Dornians win for sure, scum 50:50 depending on their choice.

or

Lynch Eddie, he kills someone nontown (he says he'll kill a Dornian because he's hoping that will make them want to lynch me) and scum kills town. Both town are dead then. Scum wins with 2:2. Dornians are 50:50 depending on if the right one survives.

The key there is I can guarantee that the Doorknobthians will win.

[ashersky]

No matter how many years passed, history tended to repeat itself.  I recall once, after a justice decision was made, someone attempting to revive old governmental systems that had proven ineffective even before the invasion.

There was a flyer distributed that day...

The people have spoken!  uncleeurope has been lynched!

Let us ensure the will of the people is heeded!  Let us call a referendum!  You may recall that, before the invasion, a referendum was a direct and universal vote in which the entire electorate was invited to vote on a particular proposal and could result in the adoption of a new policy or specific law.  Let us give power back to the people!  Vote now!

Do we remain with this decision?  Leave it behind as a mistake?  This may be the most important decision of your life!  What will you do?  Uphold or overturn?

I don't remember how it turned out.  It couldn't have gone well. 

--Dairy entry, a cold summer day after the invasion



Each member of the electorate (all players) have one vote, and only one vote.  Once cast, it may not be undone.  Cast your votes whenever you want; when a majority is reached, the decision will be passed.

Your ballot contains the following options: "remain with the lynch" or "leave him alive"
To vote, post remain or leave (in bold) now!

[ashersky]

Vote Count 5.4:

Remain (0):
Leave (0):

Not Voting (6): WCD, EFHW, DatSwan, uncleeurope, skip wooznum, mail-mi

With 6 voters, it takes 4 to confirm. Day 5 ends on May 17 at 9:00 p.m.

[Uncleeurope]

Assuming this is all true, there are a couple scum-Dornian deals I can think of that would be mutually beneficial,  but would require large amounts of trust.

That's the whole thing with this scenario, none of us have any reason to trust anyone.

It's the dumbest standoff I have run across in this game.

I absolutely hate it.

Maybe we can just agree that we all win? I mean, except for Shraeye/Galzria/Cayvie. The game has to have some losers.

[Uncleeurope]

No matter how many years passed, history tended to repeat itself.  I recall once, after a justice decision was made, someone attempting to revive old governmental systems that had proven ineffective even before the invasion.

There was a flyer distributed that day...

The people have spoken!  uncleeurope has been lynched!

Let us ensure the will of the people is heeded!  Let us call a referendum!  You may recall that, before the invasion, a referendum was a direct and universal vote in which the entire electorate was invited to vote on a particular proposal and could result in the adoption of a new policy or specific law.  Let us give power back to the people!  Vote now!

Do we remain with this decision?  Leave it behind as a mistake?  This may be the most important decision of your life!  What will you do?  Uphold or overturn?

I don't remember how it turned out.  It couldn't have gone well. 

--Dairy entry, a cold summer day after the invasion



Each member of the electorate (all players) have one vote, and only one vote.  Once cast, it may not be undone.  Cast your votes whenever you want; when a majority is reached, the decision will be passed.

Your ballot contains the following options: "remain with the lynch" or "leave him alive"
To vote, post remain or leave (in bold) now!

That... Is not how I read that at all.

That's an even worse ability than I thought it was.

Leave

[mail-mi]

In-teresting.

So, Eddie, do you still have a kill if we decide to remain?

Also do you know what happens if we all decide to leave?

[Uncleeurope]

Just kill me and find out for yourself.

[EFHW]

I'm not seeing how dissenting voters fits in here. Is that regarding the remain/leave vote, or the previous vote lynching you, or not actually a thing?

[EFHW]

Eddie, if we lynch you, you still die, right? After your vengekill. It seems implausible that you would be able to use the doc power if you are lynched.

So, lynch me, mail mi kills Eddie, who probably can't doctor himself. Tomorrow there are 2 Dornians, 1 scum and 1 town. Kingmaker. Dornians win for sure, scum 50:50 depending on their choice.

or

Lynch Eddie, he kills someone nontown (he says he'll kill a Dornian because he's hoping that will make them want to lynch me) and scum kills town. Both town are dead then. Scum wins with 2:2 2:1. Dornians are 50:50 depending on if the right one survives.

The key there is I can guarantee that the Doorknobthians will win.

EBWOP.

Yes, I noticed that,  too.

[EFHW]

For example,  we could lynch me and not nk either Dornian in exchange for being chosen in kingmaker.

Maybe there's only one deal. We can't do much to help them in the lynch Eddie scenario.

PPE Sure, that's fine. Just getting my thoughts down.

EBWOP again.

[EFHW]

Just kill me and find out for yourself.

And if we don't kill you? Does the day end or continue?

[EFHW]

There's nothing in the rules about repeated no lynch no kill scenarios.

What happens then?

[Swowl]

well this kind of makes everything a lot easier from me and WCD's pov.

Eddie is *most likely* lying about their ability to kill somone... but it doesn't matter. Me and WCD will almost assuredly be voting where Eddie does to ensure we can not be killed by eddie in case they are telling the truth.

Skum you can play your shit out accordingly and we can re-assess tomorrow or whatever, unless you see something I do not here.

[ashersky]

There's nothing in the rules about repeated no lynch no kill scenarios.

What happens then?

A third consecutive “no” decision of the same type will not be permitted starting with the sixth game cycle.

[Swowl]

leave him alive