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[Swowl]

I'm Ben Mason. I have two powers but can only use one each night. I am a gunsmith and a roleblocker. N1 I gunsmithed Didds. I got a "no", but since there were so many redirections that night, I don't know who the "no" belongs to. N2 I gunsmithed Eddie and got a "no". Last night I roleblocked mail-mi because his claim didn't seem to match Shraeye's flip. His explanation today hasn't helped in that regard, either.

well faust targeted WCD on N1 and ended up with a QT with Shraeye. So likely your result was either on Shraeye or on WCD. doesn't really help all that much since the whole "killed" vs "shot and killed" thing. But yeah.

[Swowl]

So either...

1) MailMi survivor/whatever, EFHW skum: MailMi uses 1 shot vig on EFHW. Supposedly, assuming here, with a skum read. They have now hit their mark, they need game to end, they shoot at skum. EFHW RBs MailMi (or bp, or something, or whatever).

2) MailMi skum, EFHW town/whatever: MailMi lied. They shoot at EFHW. EFHW blocks MailMi.

3) MailMi survivor/whatever, EFHW town/whatever: Mailmi uses shot on EFHW, EFHW blocks MailMi.


All of those scenarios suck.

Could it possibly be time to consider a mass claim?

[skip wooznum]

First off - we have claimed mailmi who has stated their win con was to find Princess Shraeye (awesome), and then kill/lynch whatever them. That happened. Mail-Mi is still in the game. Why would you be suspicious of WCD but not of Mail-Mi?

mail-mi has at least claimed that he needs to live till the end in order to win, like a survivor. So he hasn't won yet.

[Swowl]

First off - we have claimed mailmi who has stated their win con was to find Princess Shraeye (awesome), and then kill/lynch whatever them. That happened. Mail-Mi is still in the game. Why would you be suspicious of WCD but not of Mail-Mi?

mail-mi has at least claimed that he needs to live till the end in order to win, like a survivor. So he hasn't won yet.

fair enough. I just assumed it was the same with Didds. But to your point, you are correct, they did not specify that.

[skip wooznum]

First off - we have claimed mailmi who has stated their win con was to find Princess Shraeye (awesome), and then kill/lynch whatever them. That happened. Mail-Mi is still in the game. Why would you be suspicious of WCD but not of Mail-Mi?

mail-mi has at least claimed that he needs to live till the end in order to win, like a survivor. So he hasn't won yet.

fair enough. I just assumed it was the same with Didds. But to your point, you are correct, they did not specify that.

Not only did she not specify it, she in fact specified the opposite; namely that she would continue to play after having won. Later she walked it back a little.

[faust]

So 2 points:

- I thought all deaths would be accounted for. However, I forgot that shraeye could not take any night actions N1. So we have one unexplained kill there.
- Looking at mail-mi's claimed role... it doesn't make sense. He can't win with shraeye obviously. If he's alien, he can't win with the humanists. So effectively, without another team, he'd be locked into winning with town... but then he might as well be town.

Long story short - I think there is still a red team out there. We need to massclaim. Here is the order:

Eddie
DatSwan
e
mail-mi claims what he knows about skip
Didds claims the rest of her role
skip

[Swowl]

First off - we have claimed mailmi who has stated their win con was to find Princess Shraeye (awesome), and then kill/lynch whatever them. That happened. Mail-Mi is still in the game. Why would you be suspicious of WCD but not of Mail-Mi?

mail-mi has at least claimed that he needs to live till the end in order to win, like a survivor. So he hasn't won yet.

fair enough. I just assumed it was the same with Didds. But to your point, you are correct, they did not specify that.

Not only did she not specify it, she in fact specified the opposite; namely that she would continue to play after having won. Later she walked it back a little.

well that is kind of my point. her specifying that she would continue to play and mail mi specifying their win con in the way they did led me to believe they were similar.

[Swowl]

So 2 points:

- I thought all deaths would be accounted for. However, I forgot that shraeye could not take any night actions N1. So we have one unexplained kill there.
- Looking at mail-mi's claimed role... it doesn't make sense. He can't win with shraeye obviously. If he's alien, he can't win with the humanists. So effectively, without another team, he'd be locked into winning with town... but then he might as well be town.

Long story short - I think there is still a red team out there. We need to massclaim. Here is the order:

Eddie
DatSwan
e
mail-mi claims what he knows about skip
Didds claims the rest of her role
skip

I 100% missed that first part. What was the cause of Shraeye and no night actions on N1? was that you and I just totally missed it?

[Swowl]

So 2 points:

- I thought all deaths would be accounted for. However, I forgot that shraeye could not take any night actions N1. So we have one unexplained kill there.
- Looking at mail-mi's claimed role... it doesn't make sense. He can't win with shraeye obviously. If he's alien, he can't win with the humanists. So effectively, without another team, he'd be locked into winning with town... but then he might as well be town.

Long story short - I think there is still a red team out there. We need to massclaim. Here is the order:

Eddie
DatSwan
e
mail-mi claims what he knows about skip
Didds claims the rest of her role
skip

also... should we not have skip after E!? just based on the info that will be revealed in between I mean. Or at a minimum, have Skip be before MailMi?

[faust]

So 2 points:

- I thought all deaths would be accounted for. However, I forgot that shraeye could not take any night actions N1. So we have one unexplained kill there.
- Looking at mail-mi's claimed role... it doesn't make sense. He can't win with shraeye obviously. If he's alien, he can't win with the humanists. So effectively, without another team, he'd be locked into winning with town... but then he might as well be town.

Long story short - I think there is still a red team out there. We need to massclaim. Here is the order:

Eddie
DatSwan
e
mail-mi claims what he knows about skip
Didds claims the rest of her role
skip

I 100% missed that first part. What was the cause of Shraeye and no night actions on N1? was that you and I just totally missed it?

Yes.

[Swowl]

So 2 points:

- I thought all deaths would be accounted for. However, I forgot that shraeye could not take any night actions N1. So we have one unexplained kill there.
- Looking at mail-mi's claimed role... it doesn't make sense. He can't win with shraeye obviously. If he's alien, he can't win with the humanists. So effectively, without another team, he'd be locked into winning with town... but then he might as well be town.

Long story short - I think there is still a red team out there. We need to massclaim. Here is the order:

Eddie
DatSwan
e
mail-mi claims what he knows about skip
Didds claims the rest of her role
skip

also... should we not have skip after E!? just based on the info that will be revealed in between I mean. Or at a minimum, have Skip be before MailMi?

like mailmi got it from skip right? so skip claiming prior to mailmi confirming seems to make sense.

[faust]

@EFHW: Can you be more precise about the Gunsmith part of your role? What exactly do you check for?

[Swowl]

So 2 points:

- I thought all deaths would be accounted for. However, I forgot that shraeye could not take any night actions N1. So we have one unexplained kill there.
- Looking at mail-mi's claimed role... it doesn't make sense. He can't win with shraeye obviously. If he's alien, he can't win with the humanists. So effectively, without another team, he'd be locked into winning with town... but then he might as well be town.

Long story short - I think there is still a red team out there. We need to massclaim. Here is the order:

Eddie
DatSwan
e
mail-mi claims what he knows about skip
Didds claims the rest of her role
skip

I 100% missed that first part. What was the cause of Shraeye and no night actions on N1? was that you and I just totally missed it?

Yes.

can you give me a general day (like yesterday late) and I will go find it. please.

[2.71828.....]

I feel like faust is asking all the right questions.

Definitely in favor of a mass claim and am fine with faust's order

[2.71828.....]

Looking back at all the EFHW/mail-mi stuff today. Not sure which side I take here. I do feel as though we should probably lynch one of them.

[EFHW]

@EFHW: Can you be more precise about the Gunsmith part of your role? What exactly do you check for?

If the person has a gun.

[EFHW]

Shraeye said actions couldn't affect him.  That could have been a lie,  but why risk it? So he could be responsible for an N1 kill.

In any cas, we have two players with questionable claims. Agree mass claim is in order.

[EFHW]

@DatSwan,  looking for inconsistencies. ashersky would definitely have been specific about a matter of alignment. Yet the same scenario she is claiming is the one without an alignment.

[faust]

Shraeye said actions couldn't affect him.  That could have been a lie,  but why risk it? So he could be responsible for an N1 kill.

In any cas, we have two players with questionable claims. Agree mass claim is in order.

No because as said, the very same action that got him in a QT with me also blocked him. If it didn't affect him, he would not have ended up in the QT.

[Swowl]

@DatSwan,  looking for inconsistencies. ashersky would definitely have been specific about a matter of alignment. Yet the same scenario she is claiming is the one without an alignment.

I mean... no alignment + win con changes is just "survivor with non-fixed win con". I don't put that anywhere outside Ash's depth.

[Swowl]

Shraeye said actions couldn't affect him.  That could have been a lie,  but why risk it? So he could be responsible for an N1 kill.

In any cas, we have two players with questionable claims. Agree mass claim is in order.

No because as said, the very same action that got him in a QT with me also blocked him. If it didn't affect him, he would not have ended up in the QT.

same same right? like exactly one command input to the mod?

[Swowl]

also since they fliped hunter or whatever and purple not super crazy to assume they had a SM modifier.

[Swowl]

also since they fliped hunter or whatever and purple not super crazy to assume they had a SM modifier.

let me rephrase... assuming it would be a little out there... to consider it would not be insane.

[EFHW]

Shraeye said actions couldn't affect him.  That could have been a lie,  but why risk it? So he could be responsible for an N1 kill.

In any cas, we have two players with questionable claims. Agree mass claim is in order.

No because as said, the very same action that got him in a QT with me also blocked him. If it didn't affect him, he would not have ended up in the QT.

Ok, but that means he made a weirdly specific claim that was very likely to be contradicted

[Swowl]

Shraeye said actions couldn't affect him.  That could have been a lie,  but why risk it? So he could be responsible for an N1 kill.

In any cas, we have two players with questionable claims. Agree mass claim is in order.

No because as said, the very same action that got him in a QT with me also blocked him. If it didn't affect him, he would not have ended up in the QT.

Ok, but that means he made a weirdly specific claim that was very likely to be contradicted

are you referring to his "2 actions kill me" bit?
BC if it was true... and he saw green text on faust... and he was alive... he would kind of have a certainty that he was only targeted by one action. cuz alive.