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Re: BM27: Bad Idea Mafia (Day Four)
« Reply #1300 on: December 03, 2019, 04:26:32 pm »

Why is raerae 100% good? Why is mail-mi more certain than Galzria?

I'm most sure of Galzria,he's the only one who has found us scum yet.
Mail-mis claim is believable, and terrrrible if he's from mafia or WW.


Galz could be an ABSOLUTELY CRAZY 3rd alien, who turned in his partner for towncred.  Mafia/Werewolf aren't afraid of a Bloodhound so only the aliens are incentivized to kill him.  If Galz is an alien, then Aliens conveniently don't use their shot on their own player
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Re: BM27: Bad Idea Mafia (Day Four)
« Reply #1301 on: December 03, 2019, 04:28:02 pm »

I don't think lynching Swan is the best plan; he's 0% chance of being a roleblocker.  If one exists, we definitely want to get them now so the night actions all happen cleanly.
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Re: BM27: Bad Idea Mafia (Day Four)
« Reply #1302 on: December 03, 2019, 04:28:16 pm »

Why is raerae 100% good? Why is mail-mi more certain than Galzria?

I'm most sure of Galzria,he's the only one who has found us scum yet.
Mail-mis claim is believable, and terrrrible if he's from mafia or WW.


Galz could be an ABSOLUTELY CRAZY 3rd alien, who turned in his partner for towncred.  Mafia/Werewolf aren't afraid of a Bloodhound so only the aliens are incentivized to kill him.  If Galz is an alien, then Aliens conveniently don't use their shot on their own player

Umm, Mafia/WW are just as afraid of Bloodhound as any other scum.
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TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
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Re: BM27: Bad Idea Mafia (Day Four)
« Reply #1303 on: December 03, 2019, 04:28:52 pm »

Why is raerae 100% good? Why is mail-mi more certain than Galzria?

I'm most sure of Galzria,he's the only one who has found us scum yet.
Mail-mis claim is believable, and terrrrible if he's from mafia or WW.


Galz could be an ABSOLUTELY CRAZY 3rd alien, who turned in his partner for towncred.  Mafia/Werewolf aren't afraid of a Bloodhound so only the aliens are incentivized to kill him.  If Galz is an alien, then Aliens conveniently don't use their shot on their own player
Wait; I 200% misremembered what bloodhound does.  My bad.
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Re: BM27: Bad Idea Mafia (Day Four)
« Reply #1304 on: December 03, 2019, 04:29:21 pm »

Why is raerae 100% good? Why is mail-mi more certain than Galzria?

I'm most sure of Galzria,he's the only one who has found us scum yet.
Mail-mis claim is believable, and terrrrible if he's from mafia or WW.


Galz could be an ABSOLUTELY CRAZY 3rd alien, who turned in his partner for towncred.  Mafia/Werewolf aren't afraid of a Bloodhound so only the aliens are incentivized to kill him.  If Galz is an alien, then Aliens conveniently don't use their shot on their own player

Umm, Mafia/WW are just as afraid of Bloodhound as any other scum.
Ha. Yup, just figured that out.
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Re: BM27: Bad Idea Mafia (Day Four)
« Reply #1305 on: December 03, 2019, 04:29:29 pm »

I'm fine with that plan.

Is mafia vig or WW vig possible? Can anyone think of a way the NK's could have worked with shraeye lying? (covering bases)

I think an underreported story is how scummy Swan discarding Nurse is. I know I'm yapping without knowing what his claimed role would do, but sure seems like he wanted to be scum. Nurse is one of the stronger town roles.
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Re: BM27: Bad Idea Mafia (Day Four)
« Reply #1306 on: December 03, 2019, 04:32:54 pm »

I believe LaLight; and mailmi now too.


We had 4 kills night 1
claimed shooters: Mafia (must be glooble), WW (must be Archetype), me (pps), Bright (sudgy)
LaLight claims a miss on Space

We had 2 kills night 2
claimed shooters: Mafia (??), WW (??), LaLight (e)
I forgot to shoot
--->So one of these is missing, or roleblocked, or shot at Space, or doubled on MiX.  Many permutations
HEY LALIGHT, WHAT FLAVOR OF SK ARE YOU??

We had 4 kills night 3
claimed shooters: Mafia (pubby, presumably), WW (must be EFHW), LaLight (Joseph), me (Didds)


I don't think Aliens (if they are still around) have shot yet.  I don't see an Alien team using that until the endgame.

I don't think it's in town best interest to say that.
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Re: BM27: Bad Idea Mafia (Day Four)
« Reply #1307 on: December 03, 2019, 04:35:06 pm »

I'm fine with that plan.

Is mafia vig or WW vig possible? Can anyone think of a way the NK's could have worked with shraeye lying? (covering bases)

I think an underreported story is how scummy Swan discarding Nurse is. I know I'm yapping without knowing what his claimed role would do, but sure seems like he wanted to be scum. Nurse is one of the stronger town roles.

Kingmaker chooses a player and that player is the only one controlling the lynch the following day.
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Re: BM27: Bad Idea Mafia (Day Four)
« Reply #1308 on: December 03, 2019, 04:39:04 pm »

I believe LaLight; and mailmi now too.


We had 4 kills night 1
claimed shooters: Mafia (must be glooble), WW (must be Archetype), me (pps), Bright (sudgy)
LaLight claims a miss on Space

We had 2 kills night 2
claimed shooters: Mafia (??), WW (??), LaLight (e)
I forgot to shoot
--->So one of these is missing, or roleblocked, or shot at Space, or doubled on MiX.  Many permutations
HEY LALIGHT, WHAT FLAVOR OF SK ARE YOU??

We had 4 kills night 3
claimed shooters: Mafia (pubby, presumably), WW (must be EFHW), LaLight (Joseph), me (Didds)


I don't think Aliens (if they are still around) have shot yet.  I don't see an Alien team using that until the endgame.

I don't think it's in town best interest to say that.
Fair; I can disagree, but I understand your perspective.  I mostly was wondering if you were straight up 2-shot BP, or if it was faction-immune.

Because if my Vig is guaranteed to work on you, we might be able to build a more robust plan that gets around Roleblocking of mail-mi, if scum is hoping for some multi-team endgame scenario.
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Re: BM27: Bad Idea Mafia (Day Four)
« Reply #1309 on: December 03, 2019, 04:39:53 pm »

Of course, you not being cured and me shooting you doesn't work out well for your win-rate.

But town wins!!
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Re: BM27: Bad Idea Mafia (Day Four)
« Reply #1310 on: December 03, 2019, 04:47:20 pm »

Thanks LL. How does anyone pick 1-shot kingmaker over nurse?

Vote: Swan Vote: Swan Vote: SwanVote: SwanVote: Swan

@mod Please count as 5 votes.
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Re: BM27: Bad Idea Mafia (Day Four)
« Reply #1311 on: December 03, 2019, 04:49:35 pm »

If I die then raerae dies.

Also, please don’t.

I am unlikely to make it through the WW/Alien nonsense without town becoming involved.
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Re: BM27: Bad Idea Mafia (Day Four)
« Reply #1312 on: December 03, 2019, 04:53:05 pm »

Thanks LL. How does anyone pick 1-shot kingmaker over nurse?

Vote: Swan Vote: Swan Vote: SwanVote: SwanVote: Swan

@mod Please count as 5 votes.

? Pretty clear cut choice imo. also, right when I claimed I went over the pros and cons of why I did it.
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Re: BM27: Bad Idea Mafia (Day Four)
« Reply #1313 on: December 03, 2019, 04:54:04 pm »

If I die then raerae dies.

Also, please don’t.

I am unlikely to make it through the WW/Alien nonsense without town becoming involved.

Mod confirmed Lover status taken away when Raerae was Vanilla-ized I believe.
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Mafia Record:
TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
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Re: BM27: Bad Idea Mafia (Day Four)
« Reply #1314 on: December 03, 2019, 04:54:41 pm »

for an example of how it could of been effective - I would of been able tonight to choose Galz, with like essentially 100% certainty that a town player would be choosing the death the next day.

Also, if we ended up with an IC - that was a thought.

There were actually quite a few scenarios in which i thought it was a very strong choice.
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Re: BM27: Bad Idea Mafia (Day Four)
« Reply #1315 on: December 03, 2019, 04:54:53 pm »

If I die then raerae dies.

Also, please don’t.

I am unlikely to make it through the WW/Alien nonsense without town becoming involved.
I thought raerae being Vanilla-ized stopped that?

Also, what WW/Alien nonsense?
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Re: BM27: Bad Idea Mafia (Day Four)
« Reply #1316 on: December 03, 2019, 04:56:49 pm »

Oh...

Um, I don’t remember the ruling on that. Was it Mod confirmed that and lover of raerae loves her no more?

Then wanting to shoot raerae/me was my stance there.
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Re: BM27: Bad Idea Mafia (Day Four)
« Reply #1317 on: December 03, 2019, 05:02:09 pm »

I guess money where I said my mouth was then:

Vote: Eevee
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Re: BM27: Bad Idea Mafia (Day Four)
« Reply #1318 on: December 03, 2019, 05:08:37 pm »

I believe that all the claims came out and Eevee realized that there is no better target for them to push then themselves. So, they are going to gun for me under the assumption of "well if he is telling the truth than at least we only lynch a VT". Which, while true, I would rather lynch skum.

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Re: BM27: Bad Idea Mafia (Day Four)
« Reply #1319 on: December 03, 2019, 05:13:15 pm »

That's not my reasoning at all, I think you are most likely to be scum.

I'm fine with (=I don't think I'll be able to avoid) being the lynch, I think shraeye and LL should both shoot Swan at night. I think you can figure it out tomorrow if it's someone else.
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Re: BM27: Bad Idea Mafia (Day Four)
« Reply #1320 on: December 03, 2019, 05:15:18 pm »

I'm fine with that plan.

Is mafia vig or WW vig possible? Can anyone think of a way the NK's could have worked with shraeye lying? (covering bases)

I think an underreported story is how scummy Swan discarding Nurse is. I know I'm yapping without knowing what his claimed role would do, but sure seems like he wanted to be scum. Nurse is one of the stronger town roles.

Shraeye could be Mafia.
N1 - Mafia Shoots Glooble
N2 - Shraeye is lying to make it sound more believable. Mafia actually shot either MiX or E as a double down. Or were blocked I guess IDK why they would lie about that though. I wanna say there was still a doctor alive for N2 also?
N3 - It falls apart a bit. There would have to be some crazy lying going on that is somehow not revealed after a claim, or there could be a 3rd alien.
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Re: BM27: Bad Idea Mafia (Day Four)
« Reply #1321 on: December 03, 2019, 05:17:23 pm »

That's not my reasoning at all, I think you are most likely to be scum.

I'm fine with (=I don't think I'll be able to avoid) being the lynch, I think shraeye and LL should both shoot Swan at night. I think you can figure it out tomorrow if it's someone else.

I'll tell you what man, my logic is essentially the same as yours. Unless your skum. Then the logic about shooting me doesn't make sense.

If you flip Green, I would agree that they would have no choice but to shoot me. But I don't think that is how things are gonna pan out.
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Re: BM27: Bad Idea Mafia (Day Four)
« Reply #1322 on: December 03, 2019, 05:48:51 pm »

First night I targeted Space but the kill didn't go off of course.

Second night e, third night Joseph.
Like shraeye's claim, your Night 1 attempted kill seems pandering.

Actually, it's funny that you aren't claiming either of the "unclaimed" kills for Night 1.
One of them is Glooble, the Alpha Werewolf, likely to have been killed by the Mafia.
The other is Archetype, the Mason Doctor, likely to have been killed by the Werewolves.
It's an interesting observation, wouldn't you say?
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Re: BM27: Bad Idea Mafia (Day Four)
« Reply #1323 on: December 03, 2019, 05:51:44 pm »

I've got more to say, but that's the important bit.
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Re: BM27: Bad Idea Mafia (Day Four)
« Reply #1324 on: December 03, 2019, 06:09:16 pm »

If I die then raerae dies.

Also, please don’t.

I am unlikely to make it through the WW/Alien nonsense without town becoming involved.

No, I don't. Vanilla'd, remember?
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