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[faust]

I exist, I just haven't seen anything noteworthy to comment about. Anyone wanna ask me any questions?

So do you still exist? You're kind of holding things up you know.

Holding things up? Am I stopping the inevitable flow of time from second to second?

Cool, so

DebatePro: Ari, faust, EFHW

arishipshape:
faust:
silverspawn:
UncleEurope:
Joseph2302:
raerae:
EFHW:
shraeye:

[faust]

God you are annoying.

[arishipshape]

I exist, I just haven't seen anything noteworthy to comment about. Anyone wanna ask me any questions?

So do you still exist? You're kind of holding things up you know.

Holding things up? Am I stopping the inevitable flow of time from second to second?

Cool, so

DebatePro: Ari, faust, EFHW

arishipshape:
faust:
silverspawn:
UncleEurope:
Joseph2302:
raerae:
EFHW:
shraeye:

I already claimed! Neapolitan enabler! Also, I didn't really get what the post was asking until I looked at it harder. Sorry

[faust]

Apparently you still didn't get it.

You are supposed to name you top 3 scumreads.

[arishipshape]

Apparently you still didn't get it.

You are supposed to name you top 3 scumreads.

Oh. I thought we were massclaiming. Lemme go read the past 20 pages again. *reads pages*

Faust- The Datswan hammer, the town information deprivation, the unjustified hostility towards me
Uncleeurope- Won't tell me the case on me, lot's of random votes for EFHW (could u explain those?)
I'm having trouble finding a third read. As soon as I have one I'll get back to you guys

[EFHW]

faust, you could probably go ahead now.

[silverspawn]

This seems kind of like a waste of time? But I guess since the IC thinks it's worth it...

[Joseph2302]

Apparently you still didn't get it.

You are supposed to name you top 3 scumreads.

Oh. I thought we were massclaiming. Lemme go read the past 20 pages again. *reads pages*

Faust- The Datswan hammer, the town information deprivation, the unjustified hostility towards me
Uncleeurope- Won't tell me the case on me, lot's of random votes for EFHW (could u explain those?)
I'm having trouble finding a third read. As soon as I have one I'll get back to you guys

If ari is town then we haven't got a chance of winning
He's so confusingly scummy
And his reads are literally the opposite of mine.....

[Joseph2302]

This seems kind of like a waste of time? But I guess since the IC thinks it's worth it...

I still think we should mass claim at the same time, as that's potentially more useful

[Joseph2302]

Vote: ari
Because this mass claim your top scum reads thing isn't going to stop me being sure ari is scum

So anti-town, their role and their play style
Literally no real way I can see them being town

[faust]

So, I have not finished my reread yet, but here's something.

ari, silver, Debatepro

Though I'm not sure that those three actually make sense as a scumteam.

[faust]

Apparently you still didn't get it.

You are supposed to name you top 3 scumreads.

Oh. I thought we were massclaiming. Lemme go read the past 20 pages again. *reads pages*

Faust- The Datswan hammer, the town information deprivation, the unjustified hostility towards me
Uncleeurope- Won't tell me the case on me, lot's of random votes for EFHW (could u explain those?)
I'm having trouble finding a third read. As soon as I have one I'll get back to you guys

Can we also appreciate the fact that ari doesn't even manage the simple task of naming three scummy people.

[silverspawn]

ari, faust, Joseph

[Joseph2302]

ari, faust, Joseph

Great list. Ari and the two people who seem to find ari the scummiest

Naturally that must be the scum team.......

[Uncleeurope]

Ari: no explaination needed

Debatepro: seems to aggressively overplay not having secret conversations in the night. Plus seems to be playing the victim a bit in his tone? Seems forced to me.

Joseph: doesn’t seem to be scumhunting nearly as much as the rest of us, just concerned with what the mass claim is going to look like and general pushes for raerae to die in random places early. Seems weird. I am sticking with what I said earlier, seems disconnected from what town wants to do. I am also really interested in what his picks are here.

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I trust Faust, possibly wrongly, but I have to have a town read somewhere and it is currently on him. He has echoes my thoughts and opinions on players actions almost exactly enough times for me to be forced into thinking he is trying to solve tutus in the same way I am.

I trust SS because he has similarly echoed my thoughts a few times, but between him and Faust, I get the feeling he would be the busser of Ari in this situation over Faust, so I almost subbed Joseph out for him. I am interested in seeing faust’s Full case.

The others aren’t worth talking about.

[shraeye]

Updates

DebatePro: Ari, faust, EFHW

arishipshape: faust, UncleEurope, ...

faust: ari, silver, Debatepro

silverspawn: ari, faust, Joseph

UncleEurope: ari, DebatePro, Joseph

Joseph2302:
raerae:
EFHW:
shraeye:

[silverspawn]

ari, faust, Joseph

Great list. Ari and the two people who seem to find ari the scummiest

Naturally that must be the scum team.......

your jump on him right now was frankly really scummy. We're about to massclaim, there's not really a chance we're lynching right now. this felt mostly like signaling to me.

faust gets no town cred for sheeping me on his buddy. Maybe if he actually fought for his lynch instead of DatSwan's yesterday, but he didn't really.

[arishipshape]

So, I have not finished my reread yet, but here's something.

ari, silver, Debatepro

Though I'm not sure that those three actually make sense as a scumteam.

Debatepro is the towniest town that ever graced a town with his towniness. He constantly gives information that would absolutely box him into a nasty corner as scum, and reads newbie town to me.

Why does everyone think i'm scum?? I'm legitimately confused. No-one will explain their case against me (except for that brief excerpt on my "fake" emotion) and it's just being treated as common fact that i'm scum.

[EFHW]

Debatepro is the towniest town that ever graced a town with his towniness. He constantly gives information that would absolutely box him into a nasty corner as scum, and reads newbie town to me.

Can you give an example or two of him giving information that would box him into a nasty corner as scum?

[EFHW]

ari, faust, Joseph

Great list. Ari and the two people who seem to find ari the scummiest

Naturally that must be the scum team.......

your jump on him right now was frankly really scummy. We're about to massclaim, there's not really a chance we're lynching right now. this felt mostly like signaling to me.

Signalling what?

[Debatepro]

Debatepro is the towniest town that ever graced a town with his towniness. He constantly gives information that would absolutely box him into a nasty corner as scum, and reads newbie town to me.

Can you give an example or two of him giving information that would box him into a nasty corner as scum?

Questioning you seems to have been a fairly significant blunder that has ic.shrae moving me up on his scum-o-meter and scum.faust is exploiting to get one of the two mislynches they need to win the game.

In fairness I trust Rae right up there with Shrae and SS, when she questioned you it was stupid to jump in, and I clearly don’t understand how the PR works.

[arishipshape]

Debatepro is the towniest town that ever graced a town with his towniness. He constantly gives information that would absolutely box him into a nasty corner as scum, and reads newbie town to me.

Can you give an example or two of him giving information that would box him into a nasty corner as scum?

Sure

Warning: Long post mostly data/coding.
Answers2: shrae's question on my read of rae.

After a thorough review/coding of all Rae's posts, I am leaning firm town for her. I don't see anything that is scummy, asks for reasons all votes, challenges votes on her, challenges analysis, teases, and jokes. At worst I see some not helpful discussion on theory. I could be missing something and it seems even smart well intentioned people in this thread disagree about conclusions. This message also enters my calculus.

Random other thought: Does silver's mistaking raerae/shraeye for newbs mean we can exclude silver/raerae, silver/shraeye as possible scum pairings?

The data and coding of all Rae's posts up to this point. Hyperlinked to aid town in jumping to posts with ease.
Key: A2= Answers to, ?2 = Question to, A?2 = Answer and questions to. 
65 Upset people beat her to wagon. *vote: shrae*
69 ?2-ari  is buddying good/bad
71 A2-ari  used too many words in reply *vote: ari*
128 ?2-shrae to clue in why gave joseph, faust, eddie 1 guess
130 A2-ari many wagons day 1 good bc can look back on interactions
131 ?2-shrae why care about their opinions (128)
135 ?2-mix Big wagons better than what… small wooden, etc.?
138 A2-mix votes are pointless w/o discussion… sheeping bad cases says nothing.
146 A2-mix Big RSV wagons are bad bc L2 on D1 no discussion
158 ?2-mix - shrae didn't post reason for mix vote, did u dscss in ur QT.
160 ?2-ss - Why db8 & ari town? ss said pretty sure on db8 & ari probably
161 A2-ari - mix gets FoS bc not freaking out, RR says can go both ways
163 A2-mix *vote: shrae* has xplaining to do re: #158
165 ?2-faust so ur the 3rd on rae?
176 A2-mix more Re: #158 - mix might defend scumbuddy case on him
180 A2-ss thanking for quick response see #178 evidence of towny posts
181 ?2-ss Scummy bc I'm ? For believing case not exist yet? #179
192 ?2-mix Re: #158 shrae didn't say reason. *vote: shrae*
235 A2-shrae hate when ur right
238 ?2-shrae Cute, but why vote for mix?
292 All - Don't accuse player of lying for IRL event. It sucks
295 A2-ds - Justfctn for ds's townead on RR bad. Accuses of buddying. (More Text)
298 ?2-eddie Quickhammer good for town?
316 A2-faust I'll vote when I please, don't vote on single post unless from role mssg
317 A2-ds will read later bc RL stuff
329 Reads on Everyone .. db8-new, faust-twnish, mail
330 A2? *vote: mix* bc mix cointroductions - evidenced
367 A2-LL Snarky but correct how to scumhunt w/o answers & interactions
370 A2-faust Rae's shrae case hinged on mix interaction, may be tunneling shrae
371 ?2-LL Why shrae towny, since LL claimed didn't know meta
375 A?2 @ds why faust towncred, bc he said? @faust U wouldn't let assertion fly for others?
390 ?2-joe Why voting rae? No reason.
404 A?2-LL I play my way. Looking for anything particular in my response?
405 A2-efhw Re: shrae/mix QT slip. Town shouldn't defend case against self.
422 ?2:-joe Justification of vote by joe 4 rae based on others play, is rubbish
431 A2-joe not helping town with sheep votes absent of reason
463 A2-ds faust assertion he is town, isn't a reason he is town
467 A2-ds D1 to early to claim other than normal game. RMM could be Different
470 A2-ds faust assertion as town is not reason to accept as fact, rubbish logic.
474 A?2-ds Getting now where, what if faust claimed not town aligned or 3rd party
512 A2-ALOT Eddy, ds, faust, mix
543 ?2-mail reason for vote on rae?
545 ?2-mail why vote for rae, what have people been "saying"?
557 All Review of wagons on mix and LL gives reads on db8, shrae, ari, self, LL, joe, Mail-me.
562 A2-mix *vote: mail* since no reason for vote on rae is given.
563 A2-db8 Should we end d1 with no lynch, yes in general good practice.
569 A2-mail-me No reason to vote, jk about having something together.
573 ?2-mail vote today?
614 A?2-faust D1 shouldn't end w/ RSV or Sheeping. Why ru good with that? People dfnd ur votes!
619 A2-joe Never give reasons rae is scum
621 A2-ds vote change from mix 2 mail bc sheeping scummy for later
622 A2-mix mail shouldn't be getting pass for sheeping this game
623 Unvote mail given #622
627 A2-efhw mail meta no longer includes sheeping
628 ?2-ds vote for me based on what?
633 ?2-ds Why am I scummy, ds doesn't give any reasons
635  Rebuke of absence of reasons, mix 2 eager to jmp on any wagon, vote: mix
641  *vote: mix* forgot to bold in #635
928 A2-efhw shrae/rae not online at EOD, LL said partner not on.
934 A2-shrae replying to mssg bout shrae/rae not online, re:mason
939 A?2-db8 No rules against status tracking, thoughts about mason claiming?
945 A2-shrae faust twny, generating convo & using logic
959 A2-shrae faust not scmmy 4hammer bc 2hammer > not 2hammer
996 ?2-ds You denying shrea is the other mason?
1016 A2-joe Never give reasons rae is scum
1031 A2-faust Twn should know reasons, why ok w/ not sharing. joe no! reason! rae scum
1040 A2-db8 D1 should share, sans cop reviewing wagon
1049 ?2-ds then correct me
1062 A?2-ds isn't sharing better in outlined scenarios
1066 A2-ds share or not 2share that is the ? rae says share
1071 ?2-shrae Reason for eddie vote?
1108 A2-db8 ds gave reasons, don't agree with some, bad that rae on his list of possible scum
1109 ?2-mail thoughts on joe, db8, ss?
1128 A?2-joe Asserting db8,rae,ari scumteam? @faust not vote bc old mix/shrae theory bad more later

A. Super easy archive of information access super helpful for town, ergo super unhelpful for scum. I know I don't have the time to make this, and I have appreciated it.
B. Affirming somebody's (raerae) concrete towniness. If raerae suddenly looked super scummy, scum would want to be able to disassociate. Hard claims of reads are towny, because they leave no room for wiggling out of it all scum like. Which, funnily enough, is what i'm doing with debatepro. Not that anyone cares...

@SS what do you think about Datswan's analysis and conclusions?

@Ari, @RaeRay, @Mail-Mi, & @Joseph what do you think of DatSwan’s analysis and conclusions in posts #1042-#1045?

As far as my play, i kind of took my lead from you with your questions to players about there reads on certain players to flush out info and get them on the record, for example:
SS - what are your reads besides debatepro and ari. Don't think we've seen an answer. #1285
Joseph - why did you vote for debate & what do you think about mail-mi, ari, debate, and ss. #1259

Constantly asking for hard information and claims from the other players, again, helping town. Like, seriously helping town. Very proactive. As proactive as I would be given time. And next time I schedule a mafia game for myself, i'll be sure it's when I have time to be the next debatepro. Anyways, he is giving his opinions too in some of these quotes, I just trimmed them down to investigations to make this a slightly smaller great wall of text.

[EFHW]

Townreading someone you already know is probably town (barring 3rd faction) is not risky.

You also could have just said that instead of the giant wall of words.

[EFHW]

Debatepro is the towniest town that ever graced a town with his towniness. He constantly gives information that would absolutely box him into a nasty corner as scum, and reads newbie town to me.

Can you give an example or two of him giving information that would box him into a nasty corner as scum?

Questioning you seems to have been a fairly significant blunder that has ic.shrae moving me up on his scum-o-meter and scum.faust is exploiting to get one of the two mislynches they need to win the game.

In fairness I trust Rae right up there with Shrae and SS, when she questioned you it was stupid to jump in, and I clearly don’t understand how the PR works.

Ok, thanks.

[shraeye]

DebatePro, why are you thinking that you've moved up my scum-list?