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Author Topic: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Game Over, Perfect Mafia Victory!)  (Read 297120 times)

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Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1575 on: February 13, 2019, 04:58:29 pm »

I'm... not dead? Wow. I guess killing the neap is just as good, if not better than killing me. But that's still a risk. Man, we just can't seem to lynch right like, ever. I'm gonna go re-read mail-mi.

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Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1576 on: February 13, 2019, 04:58:37 pm »

I'm... not dead? Wow. I guess killing the neap is just as good, if not better than killing me. But that's still a risk. Man, we just can't seem to lynch right like, ever. I'm gonna go re-read mail-mi.

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Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1577 on: February 13, 2019, 04:59:12 pm »

I'm... not dead? Wow. I guess killing the neap is just as good, if not better than killing me. But that's still a risk. Man, we just can't seem to lynch right like, ever. I'm gonna go re-read mail-mi.

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Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1578 on: February 13, 2019, 05:00:57 pm »

I'm... not dead? Wow. I guess killing the neap is just as good, if not better than killing me. But that's still a risk. Man, we just can't seem to lynch right like, ever. I'm gonna go re-read mail-mi.
You're not dead because you could be scum.....
Not the person I expected to die though
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Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1579 on: February 13, 2019, 05:02:10 pm »

I'm... not dead? Wow. I guess killing the neap is just as good, if not better than killing me. But that's still a risk. Man, we just can't seem to lynch right like, ever. I'm gonna go re-read mail-mi.
You're not dead because you could be scum.....
Not the person I expected to die though
Well, yea. Everyone who is alive is not dead because they could be scum (except the obvious confirmed and stuff).
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Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1580 on: February 13, 2019, 05:07:17 pm »

Ouch.

Yeah, ari not dying is the not surprising. Scum doesn't tend to kill their own.

I definitely want to lynch him today, but we shouldn't rush things. We could be close to quickhammer territory. Well, technically if there are three scum then we're 6-3 right now, so one more mislynch is possible. But still.

A massclaim could also be worth thinking about. Our IC is still alive, so we have someone to coordinate.

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Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1581 on: February 13, 2019, 05:07:51 pm »

Let's do some maths here
13 players so max 10 town
Setup says at least 5 VT = max 5 PR

claimed PRs are:
LL- Mason (confirmed)
Shraeye- Mason
Mail-mi - neapolitan (confirmed)
Ari- neapolitan enabler
EFHW- motion detector

I know/believe the other 4 PRs, so the chance of ari being a fifth town PR isn't great

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Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1582 on: February 13, 2019, 05:10:09 pm »

Also I said D2 that I think Datswan vs raerae wasn't town/town. And I still believe that.

So honestly I think ari and raerae are both scum
And before raerae argues about me "tunnelling all game", I will point out I thought Datswan and not her was scum yesterday
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Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1583 on: February 13, 2019, 05:12:34 pm »

Also I said D2 that I think Datswan vs raerae wasn't town/town. And I still believe that.

So honestly I think ari and raerae are both scum
And before raerae argues about me "tunnelling all game", I will point out I thought Datswan and not her was scum yesterday

I think I trust raerae more now than I did day 1, so I am not on board with that.
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Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1584 on: February 13, 2019, 05:16:31 pm »

Agree, scumpoints to ari for that intro.

mail-mi is a surprising choice, given that he had significant suspicion yesterday, we have an IC, and my claim was generally seen as towny. Did mail-mi claim and I missed it? He did soft claim a pr very loudly. I'll check when at a computer if he breadcrumbed an N1 result.
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Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1585 on: February 13, 2019, 05:17:46 pm »

This is a suggestion, and only a suggestion:
If we have an unclaimed PR, should they claim ASAP?
We're in a bad situation, and them claiming means someone (ari) is lying and at least we can start lynching scum

PPE: 1
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Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1586 on: February 13, 2019, 05:18:54 pm »

Agree, scumpoints to ari for that intro.

mail-mi is a surprising choice, given that he had significant suspicion yesterday, we have an IC, and my claim was generally seen as towny. Did mail-mi claim and I missed it? He did soft claim a pr very loudly. I'll check when at a computer if he breadcrumbed an N1 result.
I expected you to be NKed as a claimed PR
IC is useful but a PR with a role can get information too
Mail-mi as a choice seems super odd
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Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1587 on: February 13, 2019, 05:27:13 pm »

This is a suggestion, and only a suggestion:
If we have an unclaimed PR, should they claim ASAP?
We're in a bad situation, and them claiming means someone (ari) is lying and at least we can start lynching scum

PPE: 1

No? I mean, we can have the IC set up a claiming order and then massclaim. Why wouldn't we want to do that?

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Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #1588 on: February 13, 2019, 05:28:13 pm »

...and right after I posted that my mom called me in for dinner.

MiX (7): Debatepro, shraeye, raerae, mail-mi, LaLight, EFHW, Faust
EFHW (2): Uncleeurope, MiX
raerae (2): Joseph2302, DatSwan
mail-mi (1): silverspawn

Not Voting (1): Arishipshape

So here's the wagons with all the people I know are town. I don't think it's raerae, so I'm looking for at least 1 scum in {Debatepro, EFHW, faust}. I had a slight scumread on faust during my inital catch up, and I think I'm willing to go back to that. I have a paper to write tonight so I can't go do a detailed reread, but I am going to go read through day 2 again. I would be comfortable lynching/voting for all 3 of them, at this point.
Couldn't wait for a computer. He seems to indicate raerae here. She was an obvious investigative choice N1, so that makes sense.
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Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1589 on: February 13, 2019, 05:31:11 pm »

This is a suggestion, and only a suggestion:
If we have an unclaimed PR, should they claim ASAP?
We're in a bad situation, and them claiming means someone (ari) is lying and at least we can start lynching scum

PPE: 1

No? I mean, we can have the IC set up a claiming order and then massclaim. Why wouldn't we want to do that?
Much better version of what I said
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Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1590 on: February 13, 2019, 05:32:15 pm »

This is a suggestion, and only a suggestion:
If we have an unclaimed PR, should they claim ASAP?
We're in a bad situation, and them claiming means someone (ari) is lying and at least we can start lynching scum

PPE: 1
Definitely not.  If we have another pr, they might be able to catch scum in a lie. And we'd really get zero information about ari, since he could have his claimed role as scum.

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Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1591 on: February 13, 2019, 05:33:12 pm »

Scratch that last point, but keep the vote.
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Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1592 on: February 13, 2019, 05:52:11 pm »

What I don’t understand is how scum knew mail-me had a PR? It can’t be a lucky shot right, he wasn’t helping town with his analysis or activity, why kill him over a better town player or someone who actually made a claim?
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Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1593 on: February 13, 2019, 05:55:05 pm »

This is a suggestion, and only a suggestion:
If we have an unclaimed PR, should they claim ASAP?
We're in a bad situation, and them claiming means someone (ari) is lying and at least we can start lynching scum

PPE: 1
Definitely not.  If we have another pr, they might be able to catch scum in a lie. And we'd really get zero information about ari, since he could have his claimed role as scum.

vote: Joseph
This is not thinking, past my bedtime!Joseph.
Of course massclaim is better than one claim
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Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1594 on: February 13, 2019, 06:00:43 pm »

I'm... not dead? Wow. I guess killing the neap is just as good, if not better than killing me. But that's still a risk. Man, we just can't seem to lynch right like, ever. I'm gonna go re-read mail-mi.

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Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1595 on: February 13, 2019, 06:02:14 pm »

In class, not that interested in explaining it to you anyway, but it probably won’t happen in the next several hours regardless.
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Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1596 on: February 13, 2019, 06:03:45 pm »

In class, not that interested in explaining it to you anyway, but it probably won’t happen in the next several hours regardless.
Even if you don't care about explaining it to me, the rest of the town has a right to know your reasoning
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Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1597 on: February 13, 2019, 06:14:28 pm »

What I don’t understand is how scum knew mail-me had a PR? It can’t be a lucky shot right, he wasn’t helping town with his analysis or activity, why kill him over a better town player or someone who actually made a claim?

Could be a Rolecop, I think. Though that would mean a lucky target at n1.

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Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1598 on: February 13, 2019, 06:30:43 pm »

What I don’t understand is how scum knew mail-me had a PR? It can’t be a lucky shot right, he wasn’t helping town with his analysis or activity, why kill him over a better town player or someone who actually made a claim?

Could be a Rolecop, I think. Though that would mean a lucky target at n1.
They believed his hints.
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Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1599 on: February 13, 2019, 06:44:48 pm »

EFHW what's the reason for #don'tCryUncle?

I happen to know, barring some kind of interference, that he took no actions last night. Since scum can't kill and do actions, I would expect each of them to have done something.

So you're assuming they all have night actions beyond a night kill? Why did you follow Uncle?
I'm a motion detector.  I tried to choose someone unlikely to be otherwise targeted so my result could have a chance to be meaningful. There was no motion around him last night.


I don’t claim to know how this works, I just read the wiki. Who did you target in N2 and what was the result?
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