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Re: M120: Czech Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #50 on: December 13, 2018, 07:26:49 am »

Nice to meet you joth! I've read all the games on this forum, so I know you, but you don't know me. glad to have you back!
How do you know that joth didn't also read all games on this forum?

Technically I haven't said that. Just that he doesn't know me
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Re: M120: Czech Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #51 on: December 13, 2018, 07:27:43 am »

vote: mcmcsalot, he's always scum
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Re: M120: Czech Mafia
« Reply #52 on: December 13, 2018, 07:41:51 am »

I intend to run the game with an extra 24 hours for xmas day if that falls during a daytime, and a discretionary number of extra hours if it's night. Given that we have a willing sub list, I intend to be proactive in subbing out non-present players if they reach 24 hours without posting more than once in the game when they don't have an active VLA posted.

Please post your VLA times in this thread (in addition to anything you do in the VLA thread) at least 72 hours before the start of your intended VLA. This will allow all players to take better account of patchy availability, and will allow me to adjust deadlines as necessary.


I'll consider adding extra time if more than 1/3 (rounding up) of the alive players have a posted VLA in effect at the same time.

Also, please note that EFHW is now co-mod, which helps with the busy-mod situation over the next couple of weeks :-)
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Re: M120: Czech Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #53 on: December 13, 2018, 08:45:42 am »

Hello everyone. Let's have an active and civil game.

vote: ashersky

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Re: M120: Czech Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #54 on: December 13, 2018, 08:57:07 am »

Nice to meet you joth! I've read all the games on this forum, so I know you, but you don't know me. glad to have you back!
How do you know that joth didn't also read all games on this forum?

HA! I can barely get through games I'm actively participating in! LaLight if you really read all ~200 games on this forum I'm extremely impressed.

It is good to be back though. I really need to show my appreciation to Robz for bringing me back into the fold.

Vote: Robz
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Re: M120: Czech Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #55 on: December 13, 2018, 10:14:04 am »

Welcome back, sir! Vote: Jo
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Re: M120: Czech Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #56 on: December 13, 2018, 10:48:07 am »

Nice to meet you joth! I've read all the games on this forum, so I know you, but you don't know me. glad to have you back!
How do you know that joth didn't also read all games on this forum?

Technically I haven't said that. Just that he doesn't know me
But you implied that your having read his games makes it so that you know him, so does it not follow that him hypothetically having read all of your games would make him know you?
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Re: M120: Czech Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #57 on: December 13, 2018, 10:48:39 am »

Vote: Jimmmmm
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Re: M120: Czech Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #58 on: December 13, 2018, 10:51:24 am »

Nice to meet you joth! I've read all the games on this forum, so I know you, but you don't know me. glad to have you back!
How do you know that joth didn't also read all games on this forum?

Technically I haven't said that. Just that he doesn't know me
But you implied that your having read his games makes it so that you know him, so does it not follow that him hypothetically having read all of your games would make him know you?

Here's what I'm more interested. LaLight, if you've read all the games, you should be a very good scum hunter. Who's playing off-meta so far?
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Re: M120: Czech Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #59 on: December 13, 2018, 10:59:48 am »

vote: josh for asking this question too early. Smells like scared scum.

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Re: M120: Czech Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #60 on: December 13, 2018, 11:00:02 am »

*vote: joth

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Re: M120: Czech Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #61 on: December 13, 2018, 11:13:50 am »

vote: josh for asking this question too early. Smells like scared scum.

what... would scum!me be scared of at this point? Robz's obvious joke vote?

I don't think it's ever too early to start scumhunting and asking people for reads. RVS is boring.

Also, I think RVS is over? So far we have:

* ashersky's (I assume not totally serious) suggestion that Lalight and I are on a scum team together
* faust's vote on ashersky for FoSing us and not voting for us
* Jimmmmmm's vote on ashersky because he likes wagons
* your (silverspawn's) unexplained jumping on the ashersky wagon
* faust's unexplained vote for Jimmmmmm
* my joke vote for Robz
* Robz's joke (?) vote for me
* your (silverspawn's) vote for me for asking Lalight for a read before doing any scumhunting myself

That's a lot of real action, even ignoring some jokey votes!

The things on that list I find scummy so far:
- Jimmmm's ashersky vote
- silverspawn's ashersky vote

I actually don't mind silverspawn's vote for me, even though it's wrong and dumb. It's based on something, whereas Jimmmm's vote on ashersky is mindless wagonning is not. So I think I'll join faust in

vote: Jimmmmm

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Re: M120: Czech Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #62 on: December 13, 2018, 11:22:00 am »

I'd argue that liking early wagons is indeed pro-town and not based-on-nothing or scum-indicative.
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Re: M120: Czech Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #63 on: December 13, 2018, 11:22:51 am »

Vote: Silverspawn
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Re: M120: Czech Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #64 on: December 13, 2018, 11:25:06 am »

Also, Hi LaLight, Faust, everyone else! Good to be back. I'm trying to only commit to one game at a time and only occasionally, but I intend to join more in the next year too.
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Re: M120: Czech Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #65 on: December 13, 2018, 11:30:21 am »

I'd argue that liking early wagons is indeed pro-town and not based-on-nothing or scum-indicative.
So why did you vote for someone with 0 votes on them then?
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Re: M120: Czech Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #66 on: December 13, 2018, 11:39:19 am »

I'd argue that liking early wagons is indeed pro-town and not based-on-nothing or scum-indicative.
So why did you vote for someone with 0 votes on them then?
To make you ask that.

And because of how SS jumped on Joth.
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Re: M120: Czech Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #67 on: December 13, 2018, 11:44:11 am »

I'd argue that liking early wagons is indeed pro-town and not based-on-nothing or scum-indicative.

Can you (and Jimmmm I guess) explain this perspective?

I see Jimmm's action there (his only action in the game so far) and I see (potentially) scum wanting to look like they're participating without actually contributing or drawing too much attention, with the added bonus of possibly getting a lynch going ASAP. Getting on a wagon early is good for scum, since the FoS tends to fall on the late joiners and the hammerer.

But I'd love to hear the "wagons are protown" argument.

Also, I apologize if I'm rehashing old settled issues here. It's been a long time and I've probably forgotten a lot.
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Re: M120: Czech Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #68 on: December 13, 2018, 11:52:06 am »

I don't know if it's an old settled issue, I've been out of the loop too, and I'm not sure my views are often consensus anyway.  Broadly the argument is that later-game wagon analysis has more to go on with more "serious" wagons, wagons that get up to L-1 or something and seeing who blinks and who doesn't, while small 3-vote wagons are more noise than signal.
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Re: M120: Czech Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #69 on: December 13, 2018, 12:00:59 pm »

The things on that list I find scummy so far:
silverspawn's ashersky vote

So you actually think opening the game with an RVS vote is scummy?

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Re: M120: Czech Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #70 on: December 13, 2018, 12:31:38 pm »

The things on that list I find scummy so far:
silverspawn's ashersky vote

So you actually think opening the game with an RVS vote is scummy?

No, I don't. But when your RVS vote is unexplained and happens to be on a person with 2 votes on them already, that raises an eyebrow.
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Re: M120: Czech Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #71 on: December 13, 2018, 12:51:39 pm »

It raises an eyebrow if an RVS vote is unexplained? Aren't RVS votes by definition unexplained?

I placed it on ash because ash had 2 votes. Wagons is good.

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Re: M120: Czech Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #72 on: December 13, 2018, 01:13:51 pm »

It raises an eyebrow if an RVS vote is unexplained? Aren't RVS votes by definition unexplained?

I placed it on ash because ash had 2 votes. Wagons is good.
How was your vote random if you placed it on ash for this particular reason?
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Re: M120: Czech Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #73 on: December 13, 2018, 01:16:01 pm »

An RVS vote can be based on a joke, it can be based on a very flimsy case, or, apparently, it can be based on the idea that all wagons are good, which I still don't completely get, but it's pretty clear to me that it's a popular and uncontroversial opinion, so I guess I have to conclude it's not inherently scummy (unless Jim, silver, and Umbradge are all scum together). Still I'm leaving my vote where it is until Jimmmmm shows up and responds to this whole conversation.

Anyway, despite the name, I don't think very many RVS votes are truly random.
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Re: M120: Czech Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #74 on: December 13, 2018, 01:19:05 pm »

...

Anyway, despite the name, I don't think very many RVS votes are truly random.

Vote: Dylan. Used RNG for "truly random" RVS target, rolled 12...

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