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[Insomniac]

Well its possible you bought all 5 dev cards, obtained largest army and largest road in one turn I guess :S

[Ozle]

Well its possible you bought all 5 dev cards, obtained largest army and largest road in one turn I guess :S

Pretty sure you can only buy one Dev card per turn.

Plus, separate actions, once you bought the 1VP that took you over the limit that would end the game

[Insomniac]

You can buy as many dev cards as you have resources for, you can only play one in a turn.

But if thats true the max is simply 12, as soon as you get LA or LR

[jonts26]

Are we playing with the 5-6 player expansion? Cause special builds will change the problem. You can't win unless it's your turn.

If we are playing 3-4 player, then lets say I've got 9 on the board, the guy before me builds a settlement to break the third guys longest road, giving 2 more points to me, and a play a soldier before my roll to take army giving me 13.

[jonts26]

You can buy as many dev cards as you have resources for, you can only play one in a turn.

But if thats true the max is simply 12, as soon as you get LA or LR

VP dev cards don't count towards the one a turn limit.

[jotheonah]

So you start the game with 2 VP. Somehow you manage to buy all the VP Dev Cards and 3 knights without upgrading or building any additional settlements, or running out of space on the board.  You've played two of the knights. But you have been hoarding your resources like a boss and the roles have been uncannily good.

So you start your last turn with 7 VP. On the last turn, you build two settlements, upgrade all your settlements to cities, build the longest road, build 5 more settlements, and play your third knight.

It's totally possible. It might involve everyone else in the game passing all their turns, but it's totally possible.

[Ozle]

You can buy as many dev cards as you have resources for, you can only play one in a turn.

But if thats true the max is simply 12, as soon as you get LA or LR

VP dev cards don't count towards the one a turn limit.

They do for buying them.

[Ozle]

Are we playing with the 5-6 player expansion? Cause special builds will change the problem. You can't win unless it's your turn.

If we are playing 3-4 player, then lets say I've got 9 on the board, the guy before me builds a settlement to break the third guys longest road, giving 2 more points to me, and a play a soldier before my roll to take army giving me 13.

Base game.

In that scenario it would be 11, because you would win before you got a chance to build

[Insomniac]

You can buy as many dev cards as you have resources for, you can only play one in a turn.

But if thats true the max is simply 12, as soon as you get LA or LR

VP dev cards don't count towards the one a turn limit.

You can buy as many dev cards a turn as you want...

So you start the game with 2 VP. Somehow you manage to buy all the VP Dev Cards and 3 knights without upgrading or building any additional settlements, or running out of space on the board.  You've played two of the knights. But you have been hoarding your resources like a boss and the roles have been uncannily good.

So you start your last turn with 7 VP. On the last turn, you build two settlements, upgrade all your settlements to cities, build the longest road, build 5 more settlements, and play your third knight.

It's totally possible. It might involve everyone else in the game passing all their turns, but it's totally possible.

I don't throw 7's

[Ozle]

So you start the game with 2 VP. Somehow you manage to buy all the VP Dev Cards and 3 knights without upgrading or building any additional settlements, or running out of space on the board.  You've played two of the knights. But you have been hoarding your resources like a boss and the roles have been uncannily good.

So you start your last turn with 7 VP. On the last turn, you build two settlements, upgrade all your settlements to cities, build the longest road, build 5 more settlements, and play your third knight.

It's totally possible. It might involve everyone else in the game passing all their turns, but it's totally possible.

Nope, you have 7 VPs, and as you build your settlements you get to 9, then you upgrade your first settlement to a city and you have now won the game with 10 VPs

[shark_bait]

Keep in mind that you can have the VP cards in hand and not play them.  So you can have 5 Settlements down in addition to Largest/Longest netting you 9 points (and you are so confident that you are not revealing your 5 VP points in hand).  Then on you next turn you play monopoly on Ore, stealing all the ore in the game b/c everyone has ore and hasn't been able to use it b/c you have been hoarding the wheat.  You then upgrade 4 settlements to cities, and then build 4 more settlements due to your clutch Ore port utilizing all of that ore that you just stole.  Remember, you didn't need roads because you were preparing for this massive turn and had already built all of them.

Q.E.D.

[Ozle]

A lot of you are forgetting the rule that you win when you get 10 points or above, you finish any actions that you are compelled to do, and then the game ends.

[Ozle]

Keep in mind that you can have the VP cards in hand and not play them.  So you can have 5 Settlements down in addition to Largest/Longest netting you 9 points (and you are so confident that you are not revealing your 5 VP points in hand).  Then on you next turn you play monopoly on Ore, stealing all the ore in the game b/c everyone has ore and hasn't been able to use it b/c you have been hoarding the wheat.  You then upgrade 4 settlements to cities, and then build 4 more settlements due to your clutch Ore port utilizing all of that ore that you just stole.  Remember, you didn't need roads because you were preparing for this massive turn and had already built all of them.

Q.E.D.

No, if you have hidden Victory Points in your hand they still score even if you dont show them
once you get to 10 VPs (including the hidden ones in your hand) you lay them down and announce a win if its your turn

[shark_bait]

No, if you have hidden Victory Points in your hand they still score even if you dont show them
once you get to 10 VPs (including the hidden ones in your hand) you lay them down and announce a win if its your turn

Really???  Whenever I've played on games.asobrain.com they did not score until you played them.  In that way, you could lose the game if you forget to play them and someone else got to 10 before you.

[jonts26]

You can buy as many dev cards as you have resources for, you can only play one in a turn.

But if thats true the max is simply 12, as soon as you get LA or LR

VP dev cards don't count towards the one a turn limit.

They do for buying them.

I've never heard about the one dev per turn buying limit and I see nothing about this in the official rules.

[jotheonah]

Ok. If you build a settlement that cuts the current LR holder's longest road in half, and you have the second longest road, that's a 3 point swing.  So if you had nine when you did that, you could end the game with 12 points.

[Ozle]

You can buy as many dev cards as you have resources for, you can only play one in a turn.

But if thats true the max is simply 12, as soon as you get LA or LR

VP dev cards don't count towards the one a turn limit.

They do for buying them.

I've never heard about the one dev per turn buying limit and I see nothing about this in the official rules.

Sorry, getting confused.

Yes you can buy as many as you like, but when you get to 10 VP you win still, so if you are on 9 VP, you buy one VP card, then you win.

This assumes you are not a moron and count to 10 of course.

Victory Point Cards (Yellow Frame)✹
You must keep Victory Point Cards hidden. You may only
reveal them during your turn and when you are sure that you
have 10 victory points—that is, to win the game. Of course,
you can reveal them after the end of the game when someone
else wins. You may play any number of Victory Point Cards
during your turn, even during the turn you purchase them.

[Ozle]

Ok. If you build a settlement that cuts the current LR holder's longest road in half, and you have the second longest road, that's a 3 point swing.  So if you had nine when you did that, you could end the game with 12 points.

This is how I do it!
Yay

Right, normal thread topic resumed!

[popsofctown]

Why is Catan being discussed in a "What other games are as good as Dominon" thread?

[Captain_Frisk]

That does seem like a bannable  offense

[Ozle]

Why is Catan being discussed in a "What other games are as good as Dominon" thread?

My brother loves Settlers of Catan.  At first I didn't like it because of the diplomacy, but then our extended family realized the diplomacy is degenerate - if you adopt a tit-for-tat strategy with the thief, the strategy dominates.  (Computer programs playing multiple games of Prisoner's Dilemma also are optimized by the tit-for-tat strategy, and a decision between two players whether to thief eachother is modelled by Prisoner's Dilemma).
I've moved on to disliking it because of the luck.  A game we played the other night went about 40 turns without a roll of 6, ticking off my little brother who likes the game more than anyone else since he built on that.
I feel like there's other games with better diplomacy and other games with better gameplay.  But Catan is great as a gateway drug to euro games because it's so easy to pick up.  And that also makes it great for families.

I found where the serious catan discussion started.....

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[blueblimp]

Glory to Rome is a ton of fun because everyone builds crazy overpowered combos, and the only thing that balances it is that everyone else is going for crazy combos too.

I didn't much like Innovation though.  It has the same feel of overpoweredness, but I felt dicked over a lot more than in GtR.

Incidentally, I hate the new GtR design.  It looks like any other boring JASE with zero inspiration or creativity.  The old wacky art was a great fit for the wacky gameplay.

What is a JASE?  Google is not helping me.

Yeah it needs a little help to turn up the desired results: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=JASE+game.

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Glory to Rome is a ton of fun because everyone builds crazy overpowered combos, and the only thing that balances it is that everyone else is going for crazy combos too.

I didn't much like Innovation though.  It has the same feel of overpoweredness, but I felt dicked over a lot more than in GtR.

Incidentally, I hate the new GtR design.  It looks like any other boring JASE with zero inspiration or creativity.  The old wacky art was a great fit for the wacky gameplay.

What is a JASE?  Google is not helping me.

Yeah it needs a little help to turn up the desired results: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=JASE+game.

"Soulless Euro"
Such a term exists?

GLORIOUS
Where has this term been all of my life?!?!?
At last, my seemingly unending search through the wastelands of vocabulary is ended!
JASE... yes

Also didn't know that lmgtfy existed... pretty funny.

[papaHav]

The only thing you can't do on a single turn for VP is play multiple knights