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[pingpongsam]

iguana, don't throw this game away!
First off, I think scum wanted to get rid of the question mark PR rather than the possibly shot out and faking having more shots PR. Secondly, leaving me alive means I could just as easily get a town result which is not nearly as useful as a scum result but either way I'm already suspect for all the reasons you cite so I'm the best WIFOM to leave alive. Hell, regardless of what result I got I'm easily the best mislynch for the day which is exactly what you are about to do. Like I said, don't be an idiot, here. you are going directly to the conclusion scum hoped for by leaving me alive.

[Cuzz]

faust, can you estimate your level of certainty that I am scum?

[pingpongsam]

Also, we know town was full up on PRs. There's no way scum is not powered up. I don't have any theories but scum has to have manipulated us into this corner with powers we have not yet detected, right? I mean, what are the scum powers to counteract the town roles? I'm a setup idiot so I can't rightly speculate but someone who can should be incorporating this aspect before making conclusions.

[Cuzz]

Very interested in what mcmc has to say about pps

I’m not imagining that he will just admit defeat but he could surprise me and save us the wasted pages of denial and excuses.

Hey maybe! That’d be cool!

In the meantime, would you care to give like an impromptu, off the cuff detailed summary of your thoughts on faust this game?

Ghacob, wanna get in on that too while we’re at it?

pps and ghacob, can you follow up on this question? not as helpful now that you ignored it originally and maybe have had a chance to construct a response, but still would be good to hear you out

[Cuzz]

sp teproc and pps had an interesting back and forth when pps claimed result and teproc asked very specifically if it was a reads thing or a pr thing. Not sure partners do that.

Well Ghacob is town, so.

how are you willing to entertain the possibility of scum!iguana and not the possibility of scum!ghacob?

Robz, I also wanna see your answer to this, unless i missed it somewhere

[pingpongsam]

Very interested in what mcmc has to say about pps

I’m not imagining that he will just admit defeat but he could surprise me and save us the wasted pages of denial and excuses.

Hey maybe! That’d be cool!

In the meantime, would you care to give like an impromptu, off the cuff detailed summary of your thoughts on faust this game?

Ghacob, wanna get in on that too while we’re at it?

pps and ghacob, can you follow up on this question? not as helpful now that you ignored it originally and maybe have had a chance to construct a response, but still would be good to hear you out

I've suspected faust from since the start of D2. My suspicion has not relented. I'd love to have lynched him already but yesterday it was either me or someone else and it wasn't going to be faust. faust knew this and helped us get Datswan mislynched for the setup I'm in today. I did not bother targeting faust because I was, let's say, 95% certain of the result and even if I had come out with a result on him today I suspected I'd be in a similar situation. I had hoped to uncover at least one more scum partner because I am fairly miffed as to who the others are and I did so. However, getting me killed today ends the game so I hope someone can talk sense into iguana.

[iguanaiguana]

Yeah IDK guys it's not helpful when literally every person I consider as a scum read is just like "No iguana, dont ruin the game for us all you idiot."

That's less fun than thinking about Robz and McMc angrily typing at each other on their smartphones or whatever.

[iguanaiguana]

Classic "leave me alive one more day and ill be dead" when he does't turn up dead and we are at 6/3 he pulls the obviously scum left me alive because they want us to mislynch me then we will be at 4/3.

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McMc, look you are a prophet.

[iguanaiguana]

I missed datswan definitely could be scum. so I guess.

Scummy: Datswan, lalight, robz
case but pr ugh: PPS, space, twm
town reads: fausty, teproc, iguana(traitor?)
def town: cuzz

why am I skummy?

Sadly/stupidly because you voted for a confirmed townie/didn’t help my cases day one and haven’t claimed a pr. Also you are difficult for me to read and always have been, we need to play together more, I think I have your voice down alright but I don’t have a good enough read on your personality to get your level of empathic concern and neuroticism to really get your communication style.

This is pretty towny. Can anyone give an example of McMc pulling something like this as scum?

[iguanaiguana]

Ugh, I still think pps and space are scum.

vote: datswan

To me, this was the single scummiest thing that McMcsalot did. He said intent to hammer, then waited a while, then came back and said "not happy about the lack of activity after my intent to hammer, humm maybe DatSwan is town." Then he hammered anyway. WTF?

[iguanaiguana]

McMc's most recent self defense is actually really good. His description of why he thinks Robz is scum is totally rock solid. All in all I think McMc has looked pretty towny, with the exception of his one scummy D2 hammer. He was also on the LL mislynch, but if you look at his case, he does make it sound like he believes in the lynch and has a legit scumread, which is more than we can say about a lot of other people's votes for mislynches this game.

[iguanaiguana]

I never suggested my vote on Galz was a good one just that it held the same utlility as any votes based on the iguana interaction.

So you do not think your vote on Galz is a good vote?

I think it is as good as any other. Why is this so hard to grok?

no not hard I guess, I got it. I just think that if you "don't think your vote on Galz is a good one" because it is "as good as any other" - I mean, it's not like you are forced to vote at this point.

Right, but voting is clearly the best way to get direct interaction. Voting in a direction no one is looking gets even more interaction. I could join the iguana morass but it bores me so I picked a different direction. Clearly it is working as intended. Might is get me mislynched? Maybe, but that is valuable in itself. It's D1 so, I'm not exactly invested in any big scheme nor should anyone be.

The bolded statement reads like someone who hasn't decided he's going to be a cop yet.

[iguanaiguana]

Told y’all iguana math wasn’t a thing. I was suspicious and anxious to see the claim because I thought if he was scum there was some fake claim coming. Now I’m just confounded.

Vote: LaLight

This OTOH is a very scummy vote for Lalight. It comes totally out of nowhere.

[iguanaiguana]

Also PPS 100% flipped from a strong townread on McMcsalot on D3 to copping on N3. WTF?

My strongest townread is TWM.

Same and mcmc is not far behind. TWM has been way more involved, though, and I personally have grilled him a few times and every time I felt like he was town playing a town game.

Would Not Lynch:
PPS
TWM
mcmc

Prefer not to lynch:
iguana

That leaves (in no particular order):
LaLight
faust
Robz
cuzz
Ghacob

If my reads are good then all 3 scum are in my 5 person lynch pool. That my town reads want a LL lynch is notable.

He posts this list of 5 people in no particular order that he wants to lynch AFTER voting for Lalight.

[iguanaiguana]

Well I actually did not expect to live but apparently not claiming out my remaining shots yesterday paid off and made TWM more attractive. I figured faust was surely scum and I was preferable to learn something I didn’t think I knew rather than confirm what I think I know. While it is possible Robz and mcmc are partners I think probably not and I’d much rather get a scum result than town so I was so torn on who to target I literally flipped a coin.

Vote: mcmc

Yeah this is literally his next reads based post after his last post. He goes from McMcsalot being his strongest townread alongside TWM to "I couldn't tell which of Robz/McMc were scum so I flipped a coin." And the only thing that changed in between was the LL flip and nightphase starting.

Which I guess is something. But still.

[mcmcsalot]

mvguana over here putting in the hard work and scum thinking they had this in the bag might actually get us the win this game. I'm still on the pps, robz, faust train but I do want to do some more dedicated rereading because I will most likely be killed after a pps lynch though there is a world where iguana gets killed because of his hard work and almost unanimous townread. Actually is there anyone in this game that finds iguana scummy?

[Robz888]

You are convincing me on mcmc, iguana. Particularly the Pps not acting like cop early on thing.

[iguanaiguana]

How about the PPS not acting like a town ever thing?

[Robz888]

That is not as persuasive.

[iguanaiguana]

That is not as persuasive.

Why have you ever even town read him? You also never answered why you don't see that scum didn't block him as strong mitigating evidence that he shouldn't have been able to claim and go on to get another result.

[pingpongsam]

I wanted to make sure I was not a favorable scum target N1. That's pretty good cop behavior if you ask me. You are correct that I was townreading mcmc until the LL thing happened. The only other person I thought about investigating was Ghacob. I still think he could be scum but I am having a hard time seeing it and like I said, I didn't want a town result if I could avoid it.

I know iguana wants me dead but Imma die tonight anyway if you all will just lynch mcmc. There's some crazy world I suppose where I'm left alive for an even night to WIFOM out that mcmc and I are partners so they can kill iguana who is clearly town.

[iguanaiguana]

Its LyLo, guy-who-calls-people-an-idiot.

If we mislynch we lose. There is no lynch me tomorrow.

[faust]

I both want and don't want PPS to die.

[iguanaiguana]

Faust, what do you think of Robz? Be clear and thorough if possible thanks

[Robz888]

That is not as persuasive.

Why have you ever even town read him? You also never answered why you don't see that scum didn't block him as strong mitigating evidence that he shouldn't have been able to claim and go on to get another result.

That IS evidence, I just haven't gotten to that point in my re-read yet so I wanted to be absolutely clear on the timing of his claim and what exactly he said. So that's why I wasn't responding to that yet.