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[mcmcsalot]

Well I actually did not expect to live but apparently not claiming out my remaining shots yesterday paid off and made TWM more attractive. I figured faust was surely scum and I was preferable to learn something I didn’t think I knew rather than confirm what I think I know. While it is possible Robz and mcmc are partners I think probably not and I’d much rather get a scum result than town so I was so torn on who to target I literally flipped a coin.

Vote: mcmc

Sweet, this makes things easier for me. I am town. Faust mentioned how my scum read of PPS dissipated over days 2 and 3, that is because as a claimed cop, there was no reason to try spend lots of energy reading him until he either A) died or B) gave us some results that would very much inform our read of him. So I scum read him day one and then he claimed cop and that backed down and now he has given me the answer of his alignment.

I will be going through and checking pps for partner interactions ect because knowing he is scum I think my time is better spent helping us find his partners then trying to prove he is scum. I believe I have played a relatively towny game, my recent drop off in activity has been due to being on vacation and Day 2 was very difficult for me because of PPS claim.

Very quickly I do think if you look at the claim from a scum!pps point of view it does make a lot of sense. Day 1 I argued hard for PPS and Space to be lynched, I argued against the Galz and Clem wagons very strongly and I think was generally town read. I undoubtedly would have pursued those reads the next day to some amount of success as both clem and galz were town, and PPS stops that by making sure he claims a pr(he knows we won't lynch) and claims a result on my other read so that in the event I still pursue lynching space it "confirms" his pr claim. Space is then conveniently killed the next day and pps has no additional results for us until this scum read on me.

Finally in what world and why does scum!mcmc prevent claims the way I did yesterday.

Off to look at pps for partners


PPE:10

[Robz888]

On second thought I don't actually think mcmc and PPS can both be scum. If thy were, that means this strategy was proposed ahead of time, and I don't think they would wait until halfway through this day, in the middle of our family vacation, to pull the trigger on it.

[faust]

Finally in what world and why does scum!mcmc prevent claims the way I did yesterday.

I have done that very thing as scum before and see no reason why you wouldn't.

[Robz888]

Finally in what world and why does scum!mcmc prevent claims the way I did yesterday.

I have done that very thing as scum before and see no reason why you wouldn't.

But you're on the mcmc=town side of this, right?

[iguanaiguana]

thread locked

D1 final vote count.

SirClemens (7): faust, DatSwan, Cuzz, LaLight, iguanaiguana, The_Wine_Merchant, Galzria
Galzria (2): pingpongsam, SirClemens
SpaceAnemone (2): mcmcsalot, Robz888
LaLight (1): Teproc
Robz888 (1): SpaceAnemone

not voting (0):

with 13 alive, it took 7 to lynch.

D2 Final Vote Count

DatSwan (6): The_Wine_Merchant, Robz888, Cuzz, LaLight, pingpongsam, mcmcsalot
LaLight (3): iguanaiguana, faust, DatSwan
Robz888 (1): SpaceAnemone

not voting (1): Ghacob

with 11 alive, it took 6 to lynch

D3 Final Vote Count

LaLight (5): The_Wine_Merchant, mcmcsalot, pingpongsam, faust, iguanaiguana
pingpongsam (1): Ghacob
faust (1): LaLight
Cuzz (1): Robz888

not voting (1): Cuzz

with 9 alive, it took 5 to lynch.
   

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D1 Faust gives hedgy weak townreads on PPS pretty much all day. He ends on Clemens, PPS ends on LaLight. Both town, but everyone (except possible space, who was on Robz) was voting for town by EoD1 so it doesn't mean as much. I would expect, however, that scum tried to split themselves up across multiple wagons on D1 to end up with a low concentration of scum on each wagon regardless of which way town ends up deciding to mislynch.

D2 PPS gives his case on Faust, and both spend a good part of the day voting for each other. But by day end, they are voting for Lalight and DatSwan. Again, they are separate town wagons by the end of the day, and both are complaining about how they don't think their wagon is as likely to be scum. I think this is classic scum going for the bus and hoping it doesn't take so that they can get a mislynch through without looking like the primary driver of the mislynch. D2 is the same situation, everyone is on a town except possibly Space on Robz, so again I think scum wants to split up across different wagons here.

D3 is the only day where it's really different. Here, Faust and PPS are committed to their cases on each other from yesterday, and open the day voting for each other. But I unfortunately push Lalight really hard, and LL doesn't really defend. So both PPS and Faust see an opportunity to jump ship and move from bussing to voting Lalight.

It's hard to say anything definitive because so many of the substantial wagons this game have been on town, but I think the narrative for PPS and Faust looks stronger than any other single partner narrative out there. [/list][/list]

[faust]

Finally in what world and why does scum!mcmc prevent claims the way I did yesterday.

I have done that very thing as scum before and see no reason why you wouldn't.

But you're on the mcmc=town side of this, right?

Dunno. I was on PPS and mcmc are both scum before the claim, I'm not sure it makes a ton of sense if they are both scum.

[mcmcsalot]

So a helpful thing is that scum knew pps was going to claim as I'm sure that was pre-planned, looking at reactions to his claim now

[faust]

How funny it would have been had mcmc claimed Miller.

[Robz888]

How funny it would have been had mcmc claimed Miller.

Is that what he was supposed to do per your plan?

[mcmcsalot]

On second thought I don't actually think mcmc and PPS can both be scum. If thy were, that means this strategy was proposed ahead of time, and I don't think they would wait until halfway through this day, in the middle of our family vacation, to pull the trigger on it.

Also PPS/MCMC has one scum, Robz/iguana/faust/cuzz/ghacob has two scum, one mislynch and we lose so we definitely want to lynch me or pps.

[Cuzz]

Mcmc has long seemed somehow off to me. He couldn't continue his awesome Day 1 performance through subsequent days. And also, was it that awesome, we mislynched, and then did so again and again.

Mcmc, faust, Cuzz is my scum team, with an iguana an outside possibility to replace Cuzz or faust. PPS being scum instead of mcmc IS a possibility, and I think I most confident about Cuzz of the three. This might be one of those weird cases where we want to not lynch either PPS or mcmc.

What about McMc, Faust, PPS?

as a scumteam? you think scum!pps is framing his own partner?

most likely teams:
pps/faust/Robz
pps/faust/Ghacob
faust/mcmc/Robz

I think faust is scum, I think exactly one of pps and mcmc is scum, and I think it's odd that no one is considering that ghacob could be scum. I think we got really unlucky with the dead PRs at the beginning of the game, but if you imagine some combination of Galz, Space, and TWM living longer, that's a decent slate of town powers, and it's a real possibility that that's all we ever had.

ppe: lots

[Robz888]

On second thought I don't actually think mcmc and PPS can both be scum. If thy were, that means this strategy was proposed ahead of time, and I don't think they would wait until halfway through this day, in the middle of our family vacation, to pull the trigger on it.

Also PPS/MCMC has one scum, Robz/iguana/faust/cuzz/ghacob has two scum, one mislynch and we lose so we definitely want to lynch me or pps.

But you have only like a 65% chance of being scum, whereas faust has like an 80% chance of being scum. (Note: These numbers were determined arbitrarily.)

[mcmcsalot]

sp teproc and pps had an interesting back and forth when pps claimed result and teproc asked very specifically if it was a reads thing or a pr thing. Not sure partners do that.

[Robz888]

sp teproc and pps had an interesting back and forth when pps claimed result and teproc asked very specifically if it was a reads thing or a pr thing. Not sure partners do that.

Well Ghacob is town, so.

[Cuzz]

On second thought I don't actually think mcmc and PPS can both be scum. If thy were, that means this strategy was proposed ahead of time, and I don't think they would wait until halfway through this day, in the middle of our family vacation, to pull the trigger on it.

Also PPS/MCMC has one scum, Robz/iguana/faust/cuzz/ghacob has two scum, one mislynch and we lose so we definitely want to lynch me or pps.

why would this not read "so we definitely want to lynch pps"?

[faust]

Oh hey mcmc, now that you have claimed, I finally get to ask:

Fun fact, there is no way everyone was Kung fu fighting.

What was this all about?

[mcmcsalot]

Also cuzz came out and asked for PPS to fullclaim in his first post after PPS claimed the result, another ting I doubt a partner does.

[faust]

I don't think this is winnable anymore.

[Robz888]

I don't think this is winnable anymore.

Not sure if this is legit town frustration or feigned scum frustration.

[Cuzz]

sp teproc and pps had an interesting back and forth when pps claimed result and teproc asked very specifically if it was a reads thing or a pr thing. Not sure partners do that.

Well Ghacob is town, so.

how are you willing to entertain the possibility of scum!iguana and not the possibility of scum!ghacob?

[mcmcsalot]

On second thought I don't actually think mcmc and PPS can both be scum. If thy were, that means this strategy was proposed ahead of time, and I don't think they would wait until halfway through this day, in the middle of our family vacation, to pull the trigger on it.

Also PPS/MCMC has one scum, Robz/iguana/faust/cuzz/ghacob has two scum, one mislynch and we lose so we definitely want to lynch me or pps.

why would this not read "so we definitely want to lynch pps"?

Because its obvious I don't want to lynch myself, for the rest of town purely based on numbers lynching me or pps is smarter than one of the 5 other players since there is only two scum in that group.

[iguanaiguana]

Things are getting crazy, so I am just going to do a scum to chum and try to be as clear as I possibly can. I wanted to save this for yesterday but now that scum is scrambling I think I should just lay it out there.

TOWN
Iguana
Ghacob
Robz
Cuzz

McMcsalot
Faust
PPS

Faust was the one who said that scum!PPS loves to bus. Scum needs only ONE mislynch to survive this game. Both PPS and Faust were super scummy going into this day. So PPS giving a false guilty on McMcsalot only tempers my scumread on McMc ever so slightly. A false guilty on his own partner is absolutely the kind of gambit that PPS attempts at LyLo. His goal is very simple: he needs to convince us that this can't be the scum team. Look at the previous days and their partner interactions are pretty strong. And the way that McMc and Faust are reacting to the PPS claim right now isn't exactly very towny.

[mcmcsalot]

Oh hey mcmc, now that you have claimed, I finally get to ask:

Fun fact, there is no way everyone was Kung fu fighting.

What was this all about?

Oh this was never about roles or anything. I was driving home from sams club with my wife and we passed a restaurant and on the sign which normally shows specials ect. it just said "there is no way everyone was kung fu fighting" and it hit me in a silly mood so I cracked up laughing to which my wife thought I was a lunatic so I decided to post it here to try and get a laugh.

[Robz888]

Things are getting crazy, so I am just going to do a scum to chum and try to be as clear as I possibly can. I wanted to save this for yesterday but now that scum is scrambling I think I should just lay it out there.

TOWN
Iguana
Ghacob
Robz
Cuzz

McMcsalot
Faust
PPS

Faust was the one who said that scum!PPS loves to bus. Scum needs only ONE mislynch to survive this game. Both PPS and Faust were super scummy going into this day. So PPS giving a false guilty on McMcsalot only tempers my scumread on McMc ever so slightly. A false guilty on his own partner is absolutely the kind of gambit that PPS attempts at LyLo. His goal is very simple: he needs to convince us that this can't be the scum team. Look at the previous days and their partner interactions are pretty strong. And the way that McMc and Faust are reacting to the PPS claim right now isn't exactly very towny.

I really do not think PPS and mcmc are both scum. This is not how this bus would unfold, if it were the case.

[faust]

And the way that McMc and Faust are reacting to the PPS claim right now isn't exactly very towny.

I feel that my reaction is pretty towny... what exactly do you think a towny reaction of me would look like? This is just riding the confirmation bias.