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[chairs]

Hmm.

Yeah, based on what I know about last Night and on today's analysis, I'll vote: Jake.

If chairs is being removed from people's lynch pools based on his townieness, what do they think of this?  To be clear, I don't want chairs to clarify anything about his role.

I actually missed this. I don't think Chairs is all that townie, though.

Can you clarify, Chairs?

I'm Town through and through.

Clarified for you now? 

[Dylan32]

I can say I have voting restrictions.

It would be pretty surprising to me if faust put a role with voting restrictions in the game.

I mean we had Schadd already, so not much of a stretch.

I would argue that it is more of a stretch because we already had one this game.

I actually think that pairs of things is the theme of this game.

What reasoning do you have for that?

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

Iguana seems town to me.

[iguanaiguana]

I can say I have voting restrictions.

It would be pretty surprising to me if faust put a role with voting restrictions in the game.

I mean we had Schadd already, so not much of a stretch.

I would argue that it is more of a stretch because we already had one this game.

I actually think that pairs of things is the theme of this game.

What reasoning do you have for that?

2 traitors.  2 third party according to Haddock. Possibly 2 mafia proper (controversial!) Zombies + frozen people are 2 similar things that mess with votes and voting thresholds  (1 pro town power and 1 pro scum power). 2 voting restrictions maybe. 2 self motivators in the bidable items.

[EFHW]

I can confirm that I am not gkrieg's partner.

[Galzria]

I can confirm that I am not gkrieg's partner.

Can you confirm whose partner you are?

[Swowl]

vote: iguana

[Galzria]

Haddock, did you check with Faust how a Godfather would affect your results?

Am checking now. 

I'm fine with a gkrieg lynch.  And I'm getting paranoid about my townread on iguana again - anyone else feeling that way?

I have gone back and forth some, but I don't think he's scum. At any rate he's, like, the most active player now, so wouldn't be a good lynch regardless.

Eurgh.  I'm getting igu-WW partner vibes, like I did early in the game. 

@Galzria, A second lone wolf could share one of pps's colors, survivor or SK. I doubt SK bc of so few kills, but I don't think 3 mafia is as certain as you do.

If it's a second survivor I don't really care - and again with this many players having a Mafia "team" (QT access) of only two players, who have yet to show a kill, seems highly unlikely. The only "kills" that have been made are Lynches of PPS, a Mod kill, the "lynch" of Space, and probably* Ash, which would come from a traitor anyway and may very well be on scum.

A second SK, as you note, is even more unlikely.

2/2/1/1/10 is highly unbalanced against Mafia. There are, almost certainly, 3 "regular" mafia.

So I mean point taken, but isn't that only sixteen players?

So assuming 3/2/1/1/10... Is that likely? I mean I am actually asking, this is only the second 17 person game I have every played

Mafia would need a team of at least 5 to be balanced.  Mistborn had 5 regular mafia with this many people.

My results make 5 or more mafia impossible.  There could be some kind of messing with my results.  But let's not speculate right now, huh? 

I'm fine with a gkrieg lynch.  And I'm getting paranoid about my townread on iguana again - anyone else feeling that way?

I'm definitely feeling that way.  He had a post where he said that he just wanted to catch and kill all the scums, which is something he has said as scum before.  I also don't like how quickly he was removed from PoE, when he as I remember should be in the same group as me and Jake and silver.

The same PoE applies to him, yes.  But when I reread him my original scumread on him became very heavy town.  And now I'm doubting myself again. 

Let's face it we're not getting a lynch through on him today.

Why are we not getting a lynch through on him?  There were 4 people IIRC who were PoEd by your results, iguana, Jake, myself, silver.  People then said that we wouldn't lynch silver today (I agree), and that iguana was townie, then everyone basically has reiterated that iguana is townie so the lynch pool is {gkrieg, Jake}.  I agree that the PoE is there, but it seems like people aren't realizing that the PoE has been taken down further than is 100% true.  I guess what I'm trying to say is that it seems like everyone agreed that because of PoE, one of {gkrieg,Jake} must be scum, which isn't what the results show.

We have 24 hours still, so we could get a lynch through on anyone really.

I just don't think this is happening because too many people have town reads on him.  Especially active people like WW.

I'd happily vote Jake, gkrieg, or iguana at this point, I just want to get a lynch through.

Let's make it 4.

vote: iguana

[EFHW]

I can confirm that I am not gkrieg's partner.

Can you confirm whose partner you are?

Lalight's

[EFHW]

Won't be around much, but I'll check in when I can before deadline.

[faust]

But Space, what do the numbers mean?

Are you asking this in a philosophical context, or just because you think there's an error in my post-numbering or something?

Vote Count 3.4

JaketheBaseballGod22 (2): Haddock, chairs
gkrieg13 (4): iguanaiguana, EFHW, Awaclus, Witherweaver
iguanaiguana (3): gkrieg13, Galzria, DatSwan

Not Voting (5): ashersky, SpaceAnemone, 2.71828....., JaketheBaseballGod22, Dylan32, silverspawn

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. Day 2 ends December 4 at 12:30 pm forum time. That is in 10.5 hours.

[Haddock]

Pretty sure I voted gkrieg. But ok.

vote: iguana

[chairs]

vote: iguanaiguanga

Feel better about that wagon than the gkrieg wagon.

Willing to switch if needed, will set an alarm for 6 hours from now to wake up.

[iguanaiguana]

Like Jake, my lynch is extra bad for town. In what way, I do not know. That is another one of the pairs I have observed. Unlike Jake, I will absolutely claim if I need to. At L-1. And that will hurt us.

[SpaceAnemone]

Argh... Just noticed how close the deadline is! :-(

I'm really busy at work today but will try to cram in some re-reading at lunch.

[Haddock]

There are SO many people missing.
Come on, we need a lynch today.  Any lynch of the three candidates is totally fine, it no longer really matters which.

Space, e, Jake, Dylan, you should all be voting. ASAP.  So that those of us currently on wagons can move as necessary to get a lynch through.  There's almost no point people who are already voting just moving our votes around, we need extra voices to get a lynch through.  Particularly from e.

This freezing thing is SIGNIFICANTLY more powerful than outright kills, for exactly this reason.

[EFHW]

I strongly disagree with iguana lynch.

[EFHW]

@iguana, don't claim. I have the power to be lynched instead of someone. I just gave the order in my qt to replace you as lynchee.

[EFHW]

Contrast gkieg's wagon with Jake's.  No fuss over Jake, sudden movement to lynch iguana as gkrieg's wagon was growing.

[2.71828.....]

@iguana, don't claim. I have the power to be lynched instead of someone. I just gave the order in my qt to replace you as lynchee.

Really sorry guys. I feel like v/la is one thing, but work/la is worse for me.

I recieved a message yesterday from EFHW that confirms what she just said here. But, that isn't actually confirmed, like, mod confirmed. Just corroborating information

[2.71828.....]

Also, PRs, however great they are, are never so important that we lose the game by lynching them (unless specifically stated)

So Jake, iguana. Sure, you have great PRs. But we lose the game when people like me don't post and interact not by your PRs.

[2.71828.....]

I lean toward voting Jake based on EFHW's confidence and just my general overview. Gkrieg as an option is ok, I am just wary of Jake and how his wagon came, went, and such

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

I prefer Gkrieg over Iguana

[EFHW]

I prefer gkrieg over Jake.

[iguanaiguana]

Also, PRs, however great they are, are never so important that we lose the game by lynching them (unless specifically stated)

So Jake, iguana. Sure, you have great PRs. But we lose the game when people like me don't post and interact not by your PRs.

I'm not saying we lose the game even by lynching me. It just makes it harder to win, by some amount (I don't know the amount) more than an ordinary mislynch would. If you are rereading, I recommend looking hard at Gkrieg, specifically the second half of this day phase.