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[Galzria]

Why did nobody take Day Vig. This is the situation it's actually useful.

There are still people who haven't claimed

I'm not feeling Day Vig on any of them lol. But hey, here's hoping A) I'm Wrong, and B) They're town.

[O]

There is one more thing about Teproc that bothers me now. I will go back and put together all my problems with him.

Where's the O case?

If you can prove that you are town, I will reconsider my Teproc read.

It's more like you're on a suicide train to get lynched regardless, and I'm just hoping you're scum at this point.

Ah right so you don't have to justify any reads at all anymore. Proving you are town isn't going very well so far.

I really don't. I'm not getting lynched today, Teproc is not getting lynched today. I have pretty high confidence in it actually.

Even though our masonry isn't claimed at the perfect time it's still more legitimate and townie looking than many people's behavior so far.

[faust]

I guess there is no use in talking to e. What are the thoughts of the rest of you? We've heard plenty from e.

[2.71828.....]

Yeah, I said "goon" not "VT" - I meant the same thing. Vanilla whatever

Yay you. SO you think I'm the Poisoner? You think I put myself completely unnecessarily in a position that gives much more spotlight to me?

Maybe not the poisoner. Scums entire game revolves around the poisoner. I think scum bid 3,4,5,8,15. They wanted that poisoner role. I think you are the second line of defense behind iguana.

Sorry, 4 scum. 3,4,5,8

Or something like that

Why those numbers? You do realize that 3 is actually a worse bid than 42 in term of which number comes first?

Yes. If 42 is unique.

No, also if both are unique.

If 3 bids exist: 42, 42, 3. The bid on 3 is better. If two bids exist: 42, 3. The bid on 42 is better.

You want unique lost numbers. But secondary to that is unique numbers.

[2.71828.....]

I guess there is no use in talking to e. What are the thoughts of the rest of you? We've heard plenty from e.

Guess so

[Eevee]

Eevee, why didn't you track the claimed Poisoner N1? Or the claimed JK?

I hummed and hawed over it for a long time, but in the end basically thought those would be the plays scum would expect and plan for.

For Iguana, I just really didn't think he was scum, and thought that tracking him would give me just information that I was going to get one day later anyways. I didn't even consider scum might have done something like this.

LL, I thought I wouldn't catch scum because he was such an obvious target. I thought that there was so much heat on him he'd probably make sure to have his target match his claim. I hoped I would find scum going for a surprise target, not someone they would expect me to track.

[faust]

Yeah, I said "goon" not "VT" - I meant the same thing. Vanilla whatever

Yay you. SO you think I'm the Poisoner? You think I put myself completely unnecessarily in a position that gives much more spotlight to me?

Maybe not the poisoner. Scums entire game revolves around the poisoner. I think scum bid 3,4,5,8,15. They wanted that poisoner role. I think you are the second line of defense behind iguana.

Sorry, 4 scum. 3,4,5,8

Or something like that

Why those numbers? You do realize that 3 is actually a worse bid than 42 in term of which number comes first?

Yes. If 42 is unique.

No, also if both are unique.

If 3 bids exist: 42, 42, 3. The bid on 3 is better. If two bids exist: 42, 3. The bid on 42 is better.

You want unique lost numbers. But secondary to that is unique numbers.

Yes, so I repeat my question: Why those numbers? aside from the fact that I bid one of them and you want to paint me scummy.

[O]

Eevee, why didn't you track the claimed Poisoner N1? Or the claimed JK?

I hummed and hawed over it for a long time, but in the end basically thought those would be the plays scum would expect and plan for.

For Iguana, I just really didn't think he was scum, and thought that tracking him would give me just information that I was going to get one day later anyways. I didn't even consider scum might have done something like this.

LL, I thought I wouldn't catch scum because he was such an obvious target. I thought that there was so much heat on him he'd probably make sure to have his target match his claim. I hoped I would find scum going for a surprise target, not someone they would expect me to track.

These are all legitimately terrible explanations.

[2.71828.....]

Yeah, I said "goon" not "VT" - I meant the same thing. Vanilla whatever

Yay you. SO you think I'm the Poisoner? You think I put myself completely unnecessarily in a position that gives much more spotlight to me?

Maybe not the poisoner. Scums entire game revolves around the poisoner. I think scum bid 3,4,5,8,15. They wanted that poisoner role. I think you are the second line of defense behind iguana.

Sorry, 4 scum. 3,4,5,8

Or something like that

Why those numbers? You do realize that 3 is actually a worse bid than 42 in term of which number comes first?

Yes. If 42 is unique.

No, also if both are unique.

If 3 bids exist: 42, 42, 3. The bid on 3 is better. If two bids exist: 42, 3. The bid on 42 is better.

You want unique lost numbers. But secondary to that is unique numbers.

Yes, so I repeat my question: Why those numbers? aside from the fact that I bid one of them and you want to paint me scummy.

Because they are the two low lost numbers and the two low non-lost numbers with a delta of 1.

[O]

Giant pointless discussion that's not 1/10th as relevant as Eevee's explanation

pls

[2.71828.....]

Eevee, why didn't you track the claimed Poisoner N1? Or the claimed JK?

I hummed and hawed over it for a long time, but in the end basically thought those would be the plays scum would expect and plan for.

For Iguana, I just really didn't think he was scum, and thought that tracking him would give me just information that I was going to get one day later anyways. I didn't even consider scum might have done something like this.

LL, I thought I wouldn't catch scum because he was such an obvious target. I thought that there was so much heat on him he'd probably make sure to have his target match his claim. I hoped I would find scum going for a surprise target, not someone they would expect me to track.

These are all legitimately terrible explanations.

I think they are perfectly townie reasons.

Think about it. Iguana very likely did not do the kill N1. Eevee investigates, sees iguana do nothing and confirms he is a good town poisoner who didn't vig

[2.71828.....]

I am very convinced that eevee is town at this point

[Galzria]

I guess there is no use in talking to e. What are the thoughts of the rest of you? We've heard plenty from e.

My thoughts are pretty open right now. Question everyone and everything.

I want quite badly to believe O and Teproc are scum. There are a number of things that put them in that column. There's also a number of things that make them likely town. First and foremost: They claimed unprovoked today prior to a Tracker and Watcher claim. They can't all 4 be scum, so that's incredibly dangerous if scum.

I could see an Eevee/Space/Qvist team. But then we have a lost Mafia Kill N2.

You're more combative than I'm used to. Don't know what to make of a Faust that goes against the grain. Half of me wants you to be town. The other half can't stop going "Damn, that shit's scummy".

RR and DatSwan and e... I don't know. Probably scum there... But I wouldn't know where to begin to pick.

[Eevee]

Eevee* going for Tracker at slot 13

That spot had candidate cop and tracker. Tracker is useful to town, whereas for scum it's only use is to appear townie. Candidate cop is a really weak role in my opinion.

Tracker is strong enough that town wants it in play. Draft position 13 is a great place to make sure the role is in play, but I don't think that role is a priority for town to jump at. I really like eevee going for it at 13. Working for town utility not just random town knowledge.

This is to the dot what I was thinking! Also that if I get it, it would be one of the more fun roles to play.

[faust]

Yeah, I have no particular issue with Eevee's tracking choices.

[Swowl]

Yeah, I said "goon" not "VT" - I meant the same thing. Vanilla whatever

Yay you. SO you think I'm the Poisoner? You think I put myself completely unnecessarily in a position that gives much more spotlight to me?

Are you saying you don’t believe Galz uniquely bid 42?

Maybe not the poisoner. Scums entire game revolves around the poisoner. I think scum bid 3,4,5,8,15. They wanted that poisoner role. I think you are the second line of defense behind iguana.

Sorry, 4 scum. 3,4,5,8

Or something like that

Why those numbers? You do realize that 3 is actually a worse bid than 42 in term of which number comes first?

Yes. If 42 is unique.

[Swowl]

Yeah, I said "goon" not "VT" - I meant the same thing. Vanilla whatever

Yay you. SO you think I'm the Poisoner? You think I put myself completely unnecessarily in a position that gives much more spotlight to me?

Are you saying you don’t believe Galz uniquely bid 42?

Maybe not the poisoner. Scums entire game revolves around the poisoner. I think scum bid 3,4,5,8,15. They wanted that poisoner role. I think you are the second line of defense behind iguana.

Sorry, 4 scum. 3,4,5,8

Or something like that

Why those numbers? You do realize that 3 is actually a worse bid than 42 in term of which number comes first?

Yes. If 42 is unique.

Phone sorry - are you saying you don’t think Galz 42 was unique?

[O]

Eevee, why didn't you track the claimed Poisoner N1? Or the claimed JK?

I hummed and hawed over it for a long time, but in the end basically thought those would be the plays scum would expect and plan for.

For Iguana, I just really didn't think he was scum, and thought that tracking him would give me just information that I was going to get one day later anyways. I didn't even consider scum might have done something like this.

LL, I thought I wouldn't catch scum because he was such an obvious target. I thought that there was so much heat on him he'd probably make sure to have his target match his claim. I hoped I would find scum going for a surprise target, not someone they would expect me to track.

These are all legitimately terrible explanations.

I think they are perfectly townie reasons.

Think about it. Iguana very likely did not do the kill N1. Eevee investigates, sees iguana do nothing and confirms he is a good town poisoner who didn't vig

The probabilities/WIFOM there are all fine and dandy but the alternative is, of course, picking randomly from a crowd and hoping it sticks AND is somehow useful.

[faust]

Eevee* going for Tracker at slot 13

That spot had candidate cop and tracker. Tracker is useful to town, whereas for scum it's only use is to appear townie. Candidate cop is a really weak role in my opinion.

Tracker is strong enough that town wants it in play. Draft position 13 is a great place to make sure the role is in play, but I don't think that role is a priority for town to jump at. I really like eevee going for it at 13. Working for town utility not just random town knowledge.

This is to the dot what I was thinking! Also that if I get it, it would be one of the more fun roles to play.

Tracker is useful for scum the same way that Rolecop is useful for scum.

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Phone sorry - are you saying you don’t think Galz 42 was unique?

I was strictly theory talking. It was not on my mind at all that galzria bid 42

[Galzria]

As fun as it's been boys and girls, it's bed time for Galzria! 1:30am and I have a long day of work ahead of me tomorrow. Look forward to the rest of the claims and more discussion.

[O]

I guess there is no use in talking to e. What are the thoughts of the rest of you? We've heard plenty from e.

My thoughts are pretty open right now. Question everyone and everything.

I want quite badly to believe O and Teproc are scum. There are a number of things that put them in that column. There's also a number of things that make them likely town. First and foremost: They claimed unprovoked today prior to a Tracker and Watcher claim. They can't all 4 be scum, so that's incredibly dangerous if scum.

I could see an Eevee/Space/Qvist team. But then we have a lost Mafia Kill N2.

You're more combative than I'm used to. Don't know what to make of a Faust that goes against the grain. Half of me wants you to be town. The other half can't stop going "Damn, that shit's scummy".

RR and DatSwan and e... I don't know. Probably scum there... But I wouldn't know where to begin to pick.

What is the Nash Equilibrium of risking 2 scum when you're at LYLO with a 7-3 split?

What is the % modifier on that for the choice to either do it with trackers/watchers out, or for neither of us to have taken an action thus far?

Yea it's a play that can be made and should be sometimes by some theoretical model that I'm definitely not going to bother figuring out. Like 5-10% of the time. This is not one of those times.

[Eevee]

Galzria; why are you so keen on conspiracy theories when we still have people unclaimed?

Like, RR is super scummy and no one is talking about him for example. Very easy to datswan, faust or galzria as scum as well.

Those feel more likely than this being a complicated mason bluff from scum, but I really appreciate the mason-rereads happening. No reason not to investigate there, but I wouldn't forgo the more traditional explanations, even though it would be way cooler to lynch a mason and be right.

[2.71828.....]

Well, RR is up for claiming, but I doubt we will get it for another few hours at least

[Eevee]

to be fair, if you guys were scum and knew mason was a safe claim, it's pretty great for you because you'd surely not expect to get lynched. but with at least a tracker and possibly also a watcher in the game, could scum have been sure enough that they weren't seen somewhere to go for this and risk their excellent position?