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[Galzria]

And I think Galzria really lost his composure more than normal here, because I actually can't for the life of me see how the Candidate claim relates back to Galzria potentially being mafia. Completely threw away more info than needed.

Possibly. But I'm just sick and tired of a very clear statement being spun literally 180 degrees and accused of doing the exact opposite. Does exposing myself to the SM not make me seem less likely to be Mafia to you? Seems a pretty clear loss if I AM Mafia to do so. As town I expect to die at some point. To the SM, to Mafia, to whatever. That's kinda part of what being town is about. Accepting that doesn't really bother me. As Mafia... well, I don't really see the benefit in throwing myself out there.

Still, maybe more information was given away than needed. I don't think so. But I've been wrong before. There's a lot of reasons the claim makes sense to me now, but wouldn't later. I dunno.

I'm just done arguing about iguana, and want to move on to LL. Every time I've tried, Teproc has dragged it back up again. It's felt like he's been intentionally trying to draw attention away from LL. In my head, claiming makes me far less likely to be Mafia, and almost certainly not the SM, so regardless of whatever perceived notions Teproc has about my beliefs, the fact is they are mine and ARE coming from a town point of view. I don't really care if he understands or not. My hope was that we could put the whole damn thing behind us and he would drop it so we can lynch LL.

Anyway, PPE, seems Iguana didn't Poison. Cool.

[O]

And I think Galzria really lost his composure more than normal here, because I actually can't for the life of me see how the Candidate claim relates back to Galzria potentially being mafia. Completely threw away more info than needed.

Possibly. But I'm just sick and tired of a very clear statement being spun literally 180 degrees and accused of doing the exact opposite. Does exposing myself to the SM not make me seem less likely to be Mafia to you? Seems a pretty clear loss if I AM Mafia to do so. As town I expect to die at some point. To the SM, to Mafia, to whatever. That's kinda part of what being town is about. Accepting that doesn't really bother me. As Mafia... well, I don't really see the benefit in throwing myself out there.

Still, maybe more information was given away than needed. I don't think so. But I've been wrong before. There's a lot of reasons the claim makes sense to me now, but wouldn't later. I dunno.

I'm just done arguing about iguana, and want to move on to LL. Every time I've tried, Teproc has dragged it back up again. It's felt like he's been intentionally trying to draw attention away from LL. In my head, claiming makes me far less likely to be Mafia, and almost certainly not the SM, so regardless of whatever perceived notions Teproc has about my beliefs, the fact is they are mine and ARE coming from a town point of view. I don't really care if he understands or not. My hope was that we could put the whole damn thing behind us and he would drop it so we can lynch LL.

Anyway, PPE, seems Iguana didn't Poison. Cool.

It makes you seem townier, sure, at a cost of benefiting the SM.

Why did you need to seem townier? You, like you said, had one vote on you.

[Galzria]

And I think Galzria really lost his composure more than normal here, because I actually can't for the life of me see how the Candidate claim relates back to Galzria potentially being mafia. Completely threw away more info than needed.

Possibly. But I'm just sick and tired of a very clear statement being spun literally 180 degrees and accused of doing the exact opposite. Does exposing myself to the SM not make me seem less likely to be Mafia to you? Seems a pretty clear loss if I AM Mafia to do so. As town I expect to die at some point. To the SM, to Mafia, to whatever. That's kinda part of what being town is about. Accepting that doesn't really bother me. As Mafia... well, I don't really see the benefit in throwing myself out there.

Still, maybe more information was given away than needed. I don't think so. But I've been wrong before. There's a lot of reasons the claim makes sense to me now, but wouldn't later. I dunno.

I'm just done arguing about iguana, and want to move on to LL. Every time I've tried, Teproc has dragged it back up again. It's felt like he's been intentionally trying to draw attention away from LL. In my head, claiming makes me far less likely to be Mafia, and almost certainly not the SM, so regardless of whatever perceived notions Teproc has about my beliefs, the fact is they are mine and ARE coming from a town point of view. I don't really care if he understands or not. My hope was that we could put the whole damn thing behind us and he would drop it so we can lynch LL.

Anyway, PPE, seems Iguana didn't Poison. Cool.

It makes you seem townier, sure, at a cost of benefiting the SM.

Why did you need to seem townier? You, like you said, had one vote on you.

Because Teproc's whole argument amounted to "Your statements don't make sense as town, therefore you are scum". If I'm not scum, then my statements are town originated and the whole thing could be dropped. That was essentially the idea. They were, in Teproc's words, a "towncred grab", yes - but it had nothing to do with being worried about being lynched. Just wanted to be done arguing that I'm being manipulative and trying to get iguana to shoot.

[Galzria]

Haha. I thought to say poison to be clear but their whole fight kinda threw me off because Galzria said 'shoot' the whole time.

Haha I'm still doing it. It's because in my head you're a delayed Vig, but still a Vig. So "Shooting" is the go-to term.

[Galzria]

And I think Galzria really lost his composure more than normal here, because I actually can't for the life of me see how the Candidate claim relates back to Galzria potentially being mafia. Completely threw away more info than needed.

So yes, I probably overreacted a little bit. But I don't think it's to the super great detriment of town.

[LaLight]

Maybe Galz is a SM

[Galzria]

Maybe Galz is a SM

I would need to be Godfather to give a false result to our Leader, and Godfather comes from your claimed slot of JailKeeper.

[LaLight]

Maybe Galz is a SM

I would need to be Godfather to give a false result to our Leader, and Godfather comes from your claimed slot of JailKeeper.

and goes to slot with 3 unclaimed slots. Anyway sorry, I forgot the fact you were checked. Also, there's an Inv Immune

[Galzria]

Maybe Galz is a SM

I would need to be Godfather to give a false result to our Leader, and Godfather comes from your claimed slot of JailKeeper.

and goes to slot with 3 unclaimed slots. Anyway sorry, I forgot the fact you were checked. Also, there's an Inv Immune

It could've gone to the Barracks, yes. Investigation Immune would've returned a "No Result" when checked, not "Not SM".

[2.71828.....]

I completely believe galzria

[Swowl]

I completely believe galzria

I do not see how his claim could be done if not true.

[Swowl]

Wow I feel special.

I didn't shoot.

So just to clarify.
@Galz - he has now said he did not shoot. Some one is posioned tomorrow. What is your reaction in hat scenario?

[O]

Wow I feel special.

I didn't shoot.

So just to clarify.
@Galz - he has now said he did not shoot. Some one is posioned tomorrow. What is your reaction in hat scenario?

99% sure Galz would agree that LaL applies there.

[Roadrunner7671]

We'd lynch iguana no matter what Galz wants.

[Swowl]

All the same. Was more to make sure I wasn't missing something.
LAL=lynch all liars??

[Galzria]

Wow I feel special.

I didn't shoot.

So just to clarify.
@Galz - he has now said he did not shoot. Some one is posioned tomorrow. What is your reaction in hat scenario?

99% sure Galz would agree that LaL applies there.

Yes.

[Galzria]

All the same. Was more to make sure I wasn't missing something.
LAL=lynch all liars??

Yes

[Eevee]

I think Galzria is town.

LL going SK-hunting in this situation made me chuckle.

[gkrieg13]

vote: LaLight

I just don't think there is any way you are town here.  Your defenses when about to be lynched are much better than this.

[Galzria]

All the same. Was more to make sure I wasn't missing something.
LAL=lynch all liars??

Yes

Sorry. Yes, contextually. Could also mean Lynch all Lurkers at other times.

[iguanaiguana]

All the same. Was more to make sure I wasn't missing something.
LAL=lynch all liars??

Yes

Sorry. Yes, contextually. Could also mean Lynch all Lurkers at other times.

Or lynch all Lalights

[Galzria]

I want to be honest about something here:

I'm voting LaLight 75% because of the botched claim. I'm sorry, but while he may not see it, messing this up as town puts everyone else in a really bad situation. Claiming one thing, especially when faced with lynch, and then changing it later cannot be something a player is given a pass for. And it's something town just cannot do.

The other 25% of the reason I'm voting him is because i find him scummy from yesterday, and IDPTG & WE were both town.

If I disregard absolutely everything except reads, I still find Eevee to be my highest scum read. Faust would probably be second, but not for reasons I can put my finger on. Following that, I'll admit I simply cannot read Gkrieg or O. Datwan I'll struggle with constantly because of the twin claim. Iguana is the #1 person I would cop if I were Gunsmith. Teproc... I don't want to get into about. E I thought was scummy D1 because prior to the reroll he didn't bother to ask opinions before starting the mass claim but this time around he did... but I'm less scummy on him now. RR... is just 50/50 really. I don't know that he'll ever be anything different. Vote analysis is probably the best way to catch him. Space I've never seen as scum, and have no real opinion on. They're less Spacey than 100, but I don't know if that's scummy or not. Chairs hasn't yet posted, and Archetype didn't give much.

If there's anybody I missed, I simply have no opinion on you I guess, sorry! >.>

[Eevee]

Space has been pretty quiet this game, but that can probably be chalked up to their trip. Since, a comfortable place for scum hide, if that's what they drew. No real point to this musing, just occurred to me that Space is usually someone more talked about.

Unrelated, if LL is town and just messed up his claim* and we lynch him, day 2 was such a success for scum. This LL business has compeletely dominated the discussion all of today, I think looking back at what's been happening in light of a few new flips later would probably yield almost no useful insights. Basically, for scum LAL provides the perfect cover for pushing the mislynch hard. Later they could explain their votes on town simply by saying "He lied to us, what else could have done?". On the other side, softly defending LL is also safe, because after he flips town, the defenders can claim the moral high ground, "he just didn't seem like scum despite the optics" is an unrefutable read. Scum isn't forced to put down thoughts on everyone today, at least not in a high pressure situation, because all the attention is on LL. I guess I'm echoing what Galzria said above - it's very bad for us if LL is town, but that's also partially our fault.

*About the claim, it is a weird situation. Even assuming LL is scum, I don't see the benefits of intentionally lying about his bid and position, and then coming clean even though no one directly contradicted it. That makes me think that whatever LL's alignment, there has been a mistake involved in this, which would make any "makes no sense to behave like this" analysis obsolete. Scum does have more information (and more claims to coordinate), so it's also possible that there was more method to this madness than I'm seeing right now, and I definitely understand people's eagerness to lynch him "just in case he is scum, letting people lie and get away with it would set a terrible precedent".

If LL is scum, I think it's pretty self-explanatory who look towny or not, although this would definitely be more a situation for bussing than going ultra hard defending your partner (I don't think anyone is defending LL very hard anyways). If LL is town, I would expect scum to be more likely to have had a strong opinion on him one way or another (a coherent, thought out response with a purpose), and more town to look conflicted and confused with the weird situation. Basically, right now, if LL is torn, scum is just thanking their lucky stars day 2 is resolving the way it is, and coordinating how they want to look like after LL's flip which they would know. Town's responses are going to be less "clean". I really don't think this is such a clear LAL - situation, because the advantages to his lie and the circumstances of him getting caught are the they are.

[2.71828.....]

Eevee has good thoughts.

[Eevee]

And a whole lot of phone posting - related typos. Sorry about those, ask away if you can't make sense of any of the sentences, I really should have read that before posting.