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[Galzria]

Point in LL's favor:

If town,  it's entirely possible mafia knew he had messed up his claim based on their own positions, and figured him for a dead man walking once any claiming exercise began. The chances of Town!LL messing with them at this point in the game would be slim enough to risk not killing him.

I don't know that this is in his favor. Yes, if LaLight is town, scum could have a good reason to keep him alive. BUt if he is scum, they of course have a reason to keep him alive as well, so him being alive is not indicative of anything.

It's "in his favor" in that it's a better explanation than the one he gave.

This logic is moderately sound, but why are you trying to create a defense for LL that he did not create himself?

Because I always try to look at things from both sides so as to avoid tunnel vision.

[LaLight]

@Galzria, i saw your post about low probability. I didn't want to engage in the conversation that would inevitably make some people claim/softclaim against their will and therefore thought the discussion is useless. "Not probably? Well, that happened, no point ro discuss further". And especially I want to say I really didn't think i made a mistake unless Space told me to doublecheck

[LaLight]

LL, this sort of mistake, if you're town, puts us in a really bad situation.

Not really? I mean no one jumped put and said "hey I bid 16 and I am #1, (took the alignment cop by the way)"

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LL, this sort of mistake, if you're town, puts us in a really bad situation.

Not really? I mean no one jumped put and said "hey I bid 16 and I am #1, (took the alignment cop by the way)"

You don't see how crashing your own credibility as a town PR could be harmful?


Anyways I think Gkrieg might be a more likely scum than LL. But Gkrieg's scum case is a SM scum case, and LL scum case can be pretty solidly mafia. Do we want to prioritize trying to find mafia or the SM?

[LaLight]

LL, this sort of mistake, if you're town, puts us in a really bad situation.

Not really? I mean no one jumped put and said "hey I bid 16 and I am #1, (took the alignment cop by the way)"

You don't see how crashing your own credibility as a town PR could be harmful?


Anyways I think Gkrieg might be a more likely scum than LL. But Gkrieg's scum case is a SM scum case, and LL scum case can be pretty solidly mafia. Do we want to prioritize trying to find mafia or the SM?

As far as I don't want to set myself up, of course we should prioritize mafia. That's not me though. gkrieg has more chance to be SK based on night actions than me

[Galzria]

LL, this sort of mistake, if you're town, puts us in a really bad situation.

Not really? I mean no one jumped put and said "hey I bid 16 and I am #1, (took the alignment cop by the way)"

You're right. Claiming and getting caught in a lie is totally not anti-town.We should all lie all the time! Yay! Townie things!

.....

No, I didn't jump and claim 16 with draft 1. I instantly jumped and said "Hey, LL's claim is completely unlikely", and refused to switch my vote from you while everyone else took it at face value and lynched town IDPTG instead. And guess what? YOU WERE LYING.

[Galzria]

Vote: LL

Don't see this changing.

[LaLight]

LL, this sort of mistake, if you're town, puts us in a really bad situation.

Not really? I mean no one jumped put and said "hey I bid 16 and I am #1, (took the alignment cop by the way)"

You're right. Claiming and getting caught in a lie is totally not anti-town.We should all lie all the time! Yay! Townie things!

.....

No, I didn't jump and claim 16 with draft 1. I instantly jumped and said "Hey, LL's claim is completely unlikely", and refused to switch my vote from you while everyone else took it at face value and lynched town IDPTG instead. And guess what? YOU WERE LYING.

Calm down. I have meant this doesn't put US in a bad situation. Me? Sure. But all I want now is for you to believe I have made an honest mistake

[LaLight]

Vote: LL

Don't see this changing.

If you think I lied on purpose, what that purpose might be?

[Galzria]

LL, this sort of mistake, if you're town, puts us in a really bad situation.

Not really? I mean no one jumped put and said "hey I bid 16 and I am #1, (took the alignment cop by the way)"

You don't see how crashing your own credibility as a town PR could be harmful?


Anyways I think Gkrieg might be a more likely scum than LL. But Gkrieg's scum case is a SM scum case, and LL scum case can be pretty solidly mafia. Do we want to prioritize trying to find mafia or the SM?

If LL is Mafia his JK on Gkrieg wouldn't have been blocked, meaning yes, it's entirely possible Gkrieg is SK.

[LaLight]

My lynch is a lynch of a disastrous town. Scum lynch is still better

[Galzria]

Vote: LL

Don't see this changing.

If you think I lied on purpose, what that purpose might be?

To attempt to protect a scum buddies position and draft.

[Galzria]

LL, this sort of mistake, if you're town, puts us in a really bad situation.

Not really? I mean no one jumped put and said "hey I bid 16 and I am #1, (took the alignment cop by the way)"

You're right. Claiming and getting caught in a lie is totally not anti-town.We should all lie all the time! Yay! Townie things!

.....

No, I didn't jump and claim 16 with draft 1. I instantly jumped and said "Hey, LL's claim is completely unlikely", and refused to switch my vote from you while everyone else took it at face value and lynched town IDPTG instead. And guess what? YOU WERE LYING.

Calm down. I have meant this doesn't put US in a bad situation. Me? Sure. But all I want now is for you to believe I have made an honest mistake

I do believe you made a mistake. A mistake flipping claims with a scum buddy.

[LaLight]

Vote: LL

Don't see this changing.

If you think I lied on purpose, what that purpose might be?

To attempt to protect a scum buddies position and draft.

I wouldn't think of that

[LaLight]

LL, this sort of mistake, if you're town, puts us in a really bad situation.

Not really? I mean no one jumped put and said "hey I bid 16 and I am #1, (took the alignment cop by the way)"

You're right. Claiming and getting caught in a lie is totally not anti-town.We should all lie all the time! Yay! Townie things!

.....

No, I didn't jump and claim 16 with draft 1. I instantly jumped and said "Hey, LL's claim is completely unlikely", and refused to switch my vote from you while everyone else took it at face value and lynched town IDPTG instead. And guess what? YOU WERE LYING.

Calm down. I have meant this doesn't put US in a bad situation. Me? Sure. But all I want now is for you to believe I have made an honest mistake

I do believe you made a mistake. A mistake flipping claims with a scum buddy.

There is something more. Before I bid I thought lost numbers are 14/15, and wanted to bid 16. Then I doublechecked, saw that 15 and 16 are actual numbers, so I bid 14

[LaLight]

Believe it or not

[Galzria]

Why weren't you looking for reasons to still be alive? Offering WIFOM is the least debatable or arguable reason you could choose. Watcher, Redirector, Roleblocker, etc are all reasons scum wouldn't kill town you. But if you're scum you aren't worried about those things. So why weren't you killed last night? WIFOM.

Why do you think you jailed successfully? Because there was no SK kill? Mafia choose not to kill you. You don't think you could've been blocked? There are plenty of ways for kills to fail. Redirect, Doctor, Bullet Proof, Protector, JOaT. But you seem certain you jailed successfully. But if you're Mafia then knowing you blocked successfully makes sense, doesn't it? Because the chances that YOU were blocked are almost non existent then.

[LaLight]

Why weren't you looking for reasons to still be alive? Offering WIFOM is the least debatable or arguable reason you could choose. Watcher, Redirector, Roleblocker, etc are all reasons scum wouldn't kill town you. But if you're scum you aren't worried about those things. So why weren't you killed last night? WIFOM.

Why do you think you jailed successfully? Because there was no SK kill? Mafia choose not to kill you. You don't think you could've been blocked? There are plenty of ways for kills to fail. Redirect, Doctor, Bullet Proof, Protector, JOaT. But you seem certain you jailed successfully. But if you're Mafia then knowing you blocked successfully makes sense, doesn't it? Because the chances that YOU were blocked are almost non existent then.

I'll be sincere: I am not looking why I wasn't killed because it doesn't matter a slightest bit. Any reason. When there will be a time when everyone will massclaim, that would explain it, but now it is pointless.

I am not 100% certain I jailed successfully. I didn't come into the day with words "Aha! I jailed gkrieg, he's 100% SK let's lynch him. No. I am voting for him now because of my read of him more than my Jailkeeping.

[Galzria]

 And you think Eevee is his partner in crime here?

[LaLight]

And you think Eevee is his partner in crime here?

Due to reads, yes. I am not sure if gkrieg is Mafia or SK, that's the point. But I think that if he is mafia, Eevee is his partner

[Galzria]

And you think Eevee is his partner in crime here?

Due to reads, yes. I am not sure if gkrieg is Mafia or SK, that's the point. But I think that if he is mafia, Eevee is his partner

But you jailed him. And there was no SK kill. Why would he be Mafia?

[LaLight]

And you think Eevee is his partner in crime here?

Due to reads, yes. I am not sure if gkrieg is Mafia or SK, that's the point. But I think that if he is mafia, Eevee is his partner

But you jailed him. And there was no SK kill. Why would he be Mafia?

Because I think he is scummy, do you hear me? Maybe SK wanted to kill gkrieg and I accidentally saved him

[Galzria]

And you think Eevee is his partner in crime here?

Due to reads, yes. I am not sure if gkrieg is Mafia or SK, that's the point. But I think that if he is mafia, Eevee is his partner

But you jailed him. And there was no SK kill. Why would he be Mafia?

Because I think he is scummy, do you hear me? Maybe SK wanted to kill gkrieg and I accidentally saved him

Yes, ok.

[LaLight]

And you think Eevee is his partner in crime here?

Due to reads, yes. I am not sure if gkrieg is Mafia or SK, that's the point. But I think that if he is mafia, Eevee is his partner

But you jailed him. And there was no SK kill. Why would he be Mafia?

Because I think he is scummy, do you hear me? Maybe SK wanted to kill gkrieg and I accidentally saved him

Yes, ok.

You believe me or don't see the point in arguing further?

[Galzria]

And you think Eevee is his partner in crime here?

Due to reads, yes. I am not sure if gkrieg is Mafia or SK, that's the point. But I think that if he is mafia, Eevee is his partner

But you jailed him. And there was no SK kill. Why would he be Mafia?

Because I think he is scummy, do you hear me? Maybe SK wanted to kill gkrieg and I accidentally saved him

Yes, ok.

You believe me or don't see the point in arguing further?

I don't believe your logic all follows in that I don't think what you're suggesting is all that likely. But that doesn't mean it's impossible, so yes, I acknowledge your statement.