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[2.71828.....]

...I thought Jimm was dead...

That's the joke. The "announcement" was his flip

Now I'm not sure if e knows Jimm is alive....

PPE: yea that

Haha. Yeah. I read that as jimmm died.

[Galzria]

I read Eevee as townie right now actually.

vote: galz

Aww, my first vote. I had never made it this far before.

But actually,

this is still a bad vote

Also, care to give an explanation?

[Teproc]

That's a townslip, if it's not faked. Mafia would know who they shot.

Nah, two NKs were expected here.

[O]

Also, care to give an explanation?

Gkrieg apparently doesn't.

[Teproc]

Also, care to give an explanation?

Gkrieg apparently doesn't.

He did though. He was voting for me because he thought WW's death implicated me.

I assumed "bad vote" was because you thought this was a poor argument, but I guess not ?

[O]

Also, care to give an explanation?

Gkrieg apparently doesn't.

He did though. He was voting for me because he thought WW's death implicated me.

I assumed "bad vote" was because you thought this was a poor argument, but I guess not ?

The vote in context (Galzria) is still without explanation.

You're a bad vote because you're townie and his reasoning seemed pretty weak.

[O]

To be clear:

Gkrieg votes you, without reason --> me: "This is a bad vote".
Gkrieg supplies mediocre reason
Gkrieg then votes Galzria, without reason --> me: "this is still a bad vote"

I'm feeling relatively consistent here.

[gkrieg13]

To be clear:

Gkrieg votes you, without reason --> me: "This is a bad vote".
Gkrieg supplies mediocre reason
Gkrieg then votes Galzria, without reason --> me: "this is still a bad vote"

I'm feeling relatively consistent here.

I feel like it was a pretty good reason.  I mean it clearly wasn't a scummy reason.

Galzria vote is mainly gut, and I need to reread more, but I remember finding him scummy before.

[SpaceAnemone]

It is unlikely, although not impossible, for LL to be telling the truth about his bid.

At the same time, while unlikely, I don't see why he would lie either.

This is as true now as it was yesterday.

I agree with you, but could you spell it out for me?

My bid and draft leaves an extremely limited number of possible ways to end up at "bid 16, draft 6", most of which are incredibly unlikely at best.

LL, can you please confirm your bid and draft place, checking against what it says in your QT?

[SpaceAnemone]

Teproc is the one who was talking about empty posts and post counts and stuff right?  That is the only reason I can think of why you kill WW.  I don't think you want to kill people that had a wagon on them D1, because they have the most information.  We now know 2 people who had wagons on them are town, which can tell us something about the game.

Space, could we get the list of everyone that voted for WW or IDPTG please?

People who voted for WW: LaLight, Galzria, gkrieg13, Teproc, Eevee, O.

People who voted for IDP: LaLight, Galzria, 2.71828....., Teproc, Witherweaver, DatSwan, Eevee, Roadrunner7671, faust, O.

[gkrieg13]

6th and 16 means that there weren’t many people with a unique bid. And also that there was at least one other person that bid 16 right?

[gkrieg13]

That means that anyone bidding 16 and not one space away in draft order could tell LaLight is lying.

[LaLight]

Oh! It's 14, guys

[LaLight]

And i'm sixth. Sorry

[2.71828.....]

Oh! It's 14, guys

Haha. Nice

[LaLight]

Sorry I was sure i bid 16 because i wanted to bid 16. Don't know how i ended up with 14.

[2.71828.....]

That means that anyone bidding 16 and not one space away in draft order could tell LaLight is lying.

Lalight was lying. But.... does that mistake make him scum?

[LaLight]

Lol SA knows me as noone else

[LaLight]

Sorry, still got to sleep, 2am and head hurts

[Galzria]

Mhmm.

Huh.

[O]

So we're lynching LL right?

[Eevee]

Case for lynching LL?

[SpaceAnemone]

That means that anyone bidding 16 and not one space away in draft order could tell LaLight is lying.

Lalight was lying. But.... does that mistake make him scum?

I felt his D1 was scummy even before the issue of his bid and draft order not matching up, so I'm leaning on it not being a good thing. There are several mechanisms I can think of for scum to lie deliberately (trying to out town PRs by co-claiming their numbers before "correcting" the mistake), plus more ways to make a mistake with the numbers as scum than as town, e.g. because his bid is made in a QT with other number bids present, or because he and his buddies have a plan to switch around some claims like faust and gkrieg did in the previous game, and he forgets exactly what bid number goes with his claimed draft position.

[Roadrunner7671]

Case for lynching LL?

If you 'lie' as town you die

[Swowl]

Case for lynching LL?

If you 'lie' as town you die

Town LL - claims to help town. Makes a mistake on the number. Does not correct it.
Mafia LL - claims to look towny when they going down. Purposefully messes up the number. Why? He could of just “not corrected it now” or could of claimed real number, or if he has skum brethren who are just Goon, could of swapped claims with them.
SK LL - claims to look towny when going down. If he dies it doesn’t matter if the info was true or not bc he is his own faction. More interestingly if he is SK he has knowledge of un used roles, which assumingly could play a part in his plan.

Now there is all of that... and then yeah it could of just been a whoopsie. However; this one is not sold that “the player that has NEVER” been mislynched blunders that hard....

I could be talked out if it, but for now vote: LL