Print

Please login or register.
1 Hour 1 Day 1 Week 1 Month Forever
Login with username, password and session length

[O]

WW was a low content poster despite his high volume

My explanation is that WW was a high poster.

WW was a low content per volume poster.

[Teproc]

vote: Teproc

May I ask why ?

If it's about WW dying, I don't know why I'm more likely than other people to kill active townies, though I do think I am more likely to kill WW in particular, but you didn't mention that, so ?

[O]

yea i completely botched that quote..

[LaLight]

i think I should mention I am DAMA. But I think clearly

AMA: Why would town!LL be alive?

there is a concept called Wine In Front Of Me. It is called after something something about princess and means that scum wants to trick town into thinking wrong

Anyway, I'm surprised, but not a lot. I though scum would do something like this.

On the Australians side, they have an unreliable chance of getting you lynched. On Dread Pirate Robert's side, they're keeping the JK alive extra days and taking a large risk of getting blocked.

You got me to google the stuff. I didn't really watch, shame on me.

This is not a large risk, 15 people left, I am known for terrible reads. Also I think they thought I will be the default lynch for today, but I will fight it as well as I can!

[Teproc]

LL, how many times have you been mislynched in your mafia career ?

[LaLight]

There was a lot of active posters, most of whom are easy to read. WW is not, so leaving him alive would make town think about his alignment. WW kill doesn't make sense unless they were SK!Hunting

[LaLight]

LL, how many times have you been mislynched in your mafia career ?

None.

[LaLight]

LL, how many times have you been mislynched in your mafia career ?

Why?

[LaLight]

I was correctly lynched twice though

[LaLight]

okay, guys, I am sorry, but I need to go. I will claim my target soon, I promise, I need to look at the situation with sober eyes.

I think gk and Eevee are scum partners though.

[gkrieg13]

vote: Teproc

this is a bad vote.

Vote: Gkrieg

Teproc is the one who was talking about empty posts and post counts and stuff right?  That is the only reason I can think of why you kill WW.  I don't think you want to kill people that had a wagon on them D1, because they have the most information.  We now know 2 people who had wagons on them are town, which can tell us something about the game.

Space, could we get the list of everyone that voted for WW or IDPTG please?

[Teproc]

That's what I thought. And it makes me a little doubtful that mafia was hoping to mislynch you: it'd be like counting on mislynching yuma or e: some people are just good at talking themselves out of lynches.

Let's see you try ! vote: LL

PPE: I don't do post counts. I do vote counts, but I never cared about post counts. You're confusing me with faust.

[gkrieg13]

I think gk and Eevee are scum partners though.

I think this is rather unlikely given my reaction to what I thought was your claim to have jailed Eevee...

[gkrieg13]

That's what I thought. And it makes me a little doubtful that mafia was hoping to mislynch you: it'd be like counting on mislynching yuma or e: some people are just good at talking themselves out of lynches.

Let's see you try ! vote: LL

PPE: I don't do post counts. I do vote counts, but I never cared about post counts. You're confusing me with faust.

Hmmmm.  If you're right, then unvote.  I still have a gut scum read on you, although much of it was coming from thinking you are likely to kill WW and actually convince a scum team to go along with you on it.

[Robz888]

Vote Count 2.1

Eevee (1): LaLight
Teproc (1): gkrieg13
gkrieg13 (1): O
LaLight (1): Teproc

Not Voting (11): Jimmmmm, SpaceAnemone, Galzria, iguaniguana, Qvist, Archetype, RoadRunner7671, faust, 2.71828, DatSwan, Eevee

With 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch. Day 2 ends Wednesday, October 4 at 2:00 PM.

[Teproc]

vote: Teproc

this is a bad vote.

Vote: Gkrieg

Teproc is the one who was talking about empty posts and post counts and stuff right?  That is the only reason I can think of why you kill WW.  I don't think you want to kill people that had a wagon on them D1, because they have the most information.  We now know 2 people who had wagons on them are town, which can tell us something about the game.

Space, could we get the list of everyone that voted for WW or IDPTG please?

Didn't update for the end game but up until #600 I have

WW: O, Teproc, Galzria, gkrieg, Eevee, LL
IDPTG: faust, WW, Eevee, Galzria, RR, e, O, LL, DatSwan, Teproc

[Teproc]

I did update it actually, forgot to remove that sentence.

[Eevee]

I would also like to know why I was scummy at end of day. I worked really hard to a) get my preferred lynch through or b) if not, at least get a lynch through. I put myself in a position where I was in the spotlight, it was the end of day, so I'd be held accountable for my actions, and in the end I had to make decisions on a minutes notice. Is that a position scum wants to be in?

I thought that WW had a (relatively) good chance of being scum (wrong), that LL had a (relatively) good chance of being scum AND that his claim was very dubious (I'm coming around to LL probably being town now).  I saw IDPTG as basically a random lurker lynch, but a bad one because you wan't your random lynches to be YOUR random lynches, and because of the way (the voters weren't my townreads, my scumreads were the alternative lynches) and speed (quick!) that wagon went up. I just didn't believe we would get scum that way.

The confidence I projected and the stuff I said about switching my vote 1 minute before the deadline but not earlier (gkrieg went further) was just me trying to get my preferred lynches through, a negotiation tactic. Right after LL claimed, I thought if truthful, he'd just get killed instantly. Then people talked me to my senses and once LL was off the table and there was 10 minutes to the deadline, I thought lynching IDPTG to avoid the nolynch was the necessary move, because trying another lynch would have caused an untenable risk for nolynch, so I hammered him. LL, why do you think you survived? I guess a watcher is pretty likely to be present, since it's the role town is always taking if they won slot 5. I was going to say that this probably suggests that scum doesn't have ninja powers, but they would be gotten from the same slot than the poisoner, I don't know what that means.

It would probably be worth looking at WW's reads to figure out why he was killed. He was suspected a lot and I don't think the tide completely turned on that front (at least there was the vocal majority left, including myself), but he is also a good player, good at avoiding getting lynched, and active. I think the most likely reason has to be that scum was afraid of him because of those things. I wouldn't expect it to be anything too obvious, but that generally his reads would have worried scum on the long run if he lived.

[Eevee]

My PPE vote: Eevee got eaten by quotes

I almost see the argument in scum qt: "i will probably go down D2 so feel free to bus me"

During the night, I didn't feel like I'd be going down at all! Why would I get lynched, for being wrong about WW (and maybe you)? There was a L-1 wagon full of guys wrong about WW.

[Eevee]

i think I should mention I am DAMA. But I think clearly

AMA: Why would town!LL be alive?

there is a concept called Wine In Front Of Me. It is called after something something about princess and means that scum wants to trick town into thinking wrong

Anyway, I'm surprised, but not a lot. I though scum would do something like this.

That doesn't answer the question, though. Did they think they could get you mislynched? I think that sounds far-fetched, and the longer you live, the more help we might get from your PR.*

*all assuming you are town, of course.

[Roadrunner7671]

LL, how many times have you been mislynched in your mafia career ?

Absolutely love this argument.

Also I think LaLight should claim his target sooner rather than not sooner.

[Swowl]

Wow... that is a lot in a short period of time.

Main thing here so far - If LL is the JK.. I can like literally see no reason why skum would not kill at night. That seems like a very strong role for them to want out of the game. Does anyone have any insight on LL's bid/# claims? I am not trying to promote a claim list here, but I am just on the fence because LL's actions at EOD seemed very Townie, but looking at it retrospectively seems very skummish. My thought is only if we can confirm LL was truthful or lying it might help with decisions?

[Galzria]

LL, how many times have you been mislynched in your mafia career ?

Absolutely love this argument.

Also I think LaLight should claim his target sooner rather than not sooner.

I agree. Nobody is going to fake an action as scum just to have LL come out and say "Liar, you were blocked last night!" - whereas having him claim now could force him into claiming somebody who DID successfully take an action.

While it's not terribly likely, it's more so than the first situation.

[Eevee]

Maybe scum thought that LL could be helpful in getting a mislynch today (he was pretty vocal about suspecting me yesterday - maybe scum DID discuss me as a possible mislynch candidate), coupled with the pros of killing WW. I think early in the game, scum often tries to cause confusion with their kills.

If LL is town,  at some point in the game scum will have to bite the bullet and killhim, since they don't even have a permanent roleblock (if LL is town he is the jailkeeper), so I'm definitely not interested in lynching him at this hour. I think that situation will resolve itself, especially because LL is giving us plenty to work with. Not that it wouldn't be helpful to confirm his claim, of course.

[Eevee]

Agreed that LL sound claim asap, anything to clear the fog just a little bit at this point.