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[Witherweaver]

It isn't necessarily true that scum would not want vig.

[gkrieg13]

It isn't necessarily true that scum would not want vig.

Explain?

[Witherweaver]

There could be multiple factions, and scum could know this.

It's also maybe possible there is some kind of edge case where 1v1 tradeoff is good for them, though I doubt that.

[Witherweaver]

Not that they could have predicted this, but shooting Robz and claiming Vig later on would give quite a bit of town cred, and maybe they'd never need to use it again.

[The_Wine_Merchant]

A survivor! How fun.

Mafia theory-wise, I do like the early survivor claim. It is honest, puts yourself at the mercy of town, and clearly shows that you are willing to work with us.

Fortune favors the bold, I am not going to vote Robz today. The whole concept that lynching Robz and then tomorrow we have so much more information to work off of is rubbish in my opinion. We will have one town death and some amount of PR information. Which isn't amazing.

I like trying to lynch mafia-scum here not survivor-scum.

I agree with 2.7 here and what faust said elsewhere. Not interested in lynching Robz today.

[The_Wine_Merchant]

I'm still at a loss for what information we can get from the bidding stuff.

I think Robz was the only one that suggested a mass claim. I think that was part of him trying to figure out if he wanted to claim survivor or not.

I suggested a claim what you didn't bid. It wouldn't give us any information and I never said it would. I said, it could potentially limit mafia later on down the road. But others think it isn't likely to be a benefit and has since been dropped.

I don't think anyone is saying we should mass claim. I feel like you are arguing with no one just for the sake of appearing like you are voicing an opinion.

vote: gkrieg

[The_Wine_Merchant]

WW is still a good vote though.

[Witherweaver]

WW is still a good vote though.

Why is that?

[gkrieg13]

I'm still at a loss for what information we can get from the bidding stuff.

I think Robz was the only one that suggested a mass claim. I think that was part of him trying to figure out if he wanted to claim survivor or not.

I suggested a claim what you didn't bid. It wouldn't give us any information and I never said it would. I said, it could potentially limit mafia later on down the road. But others think it isn't likely to be a benefit and has since been dropped.

I don't think anyone is saying we should mass claim. I feel like you are arguing with no one just for the sake of appearing like you are voicing an opinion.

vote: gkrieg

I am arguing with no one.  I was talking to myself to see if we could flesh out a plan to get any info.  Part of it I was doing so that I could get into this game, which thankfully you pulled me in with this vote!

[The_Wine_Merchant]

WW is still a good vote though.

Why is that?

I think rolefishing and SK hunting are valid foundations for a case at post #38. faust never said it was a tremendous case or the best ever, just what it was at the time.

And I felt your #111 post was forced and unnecessary in trying to create a process of elimination list when there is little to go off. Felt off.

I understand those two points might appear to contradict each other, but they really don't.

[The_Wine_Merchant]

I'm still at a loss for what information we can get from the bidding stuff.

I think Robz was the only one that suggested a mass claim. I think that was part of him trying to figure out if he wanted to claim survivor or not.

I suggested a claim what you didn't bid. It wouldn't give us any information and I never said it would. I said, it could potentially limit mafia later on down the road. But others think it isn't likely to be a benefit and has since been dropped.

I don't think anyone is saying we should mass claim. I feel like you are arguing with no one just for the sake of appearing like you are voicing an opinion.

vote: gkrieg

I am arguing with no one.  I was talking to myself to see if we could flesh out a plan to get any info.  Part of it I was doing so that I could get into this game, which thankfully you pulled me in with this vote!

Hm. Ok. vote: WW

[faust]

A survivor! How fun.

Mafia theory-wise, I do like the early survivor claim. It is honest, puts yourself at the mercy of town, and clearly shows that you are willing to work with us.

Fortune favors the bold, I am not going to vote Robz today. The whole concept that lynching Robz and then tomorrow we have so much more information to work off of is rubbish in my opinion. We will have one town death and some amount of PR information. Which isn't amazing.

I like trying to lynch mafia-scum here not survivor-scum.

I agree with 2.7 here and what faust said elsewhere. Not interested in lynching Robz today.

What? No. You cannot agree with this and me because e's post directly contradicts what I think.

[mcmcsalot]

vote: gkrieg

[The_Wine_Merchant]

A survivor! How fun.

Mafia theory-wise, I do like the early survivor claim. It is honest, puts yourself at the mercy of town, and clearly shows that you are willing to work with us.

Fortune favors the bold, I am not going to vote Robz today. The whole concept that lynching Robz and then tomorrow we have so much more information to work off of is rubbish in my opinion. We will have one town death and some amount of PR information. Which isn't amazing.

I like trying to lynch mafia-scum here not survivor-scum.

I agree with 2.7 here and what faust said elsewhere. Not interested in lynching Robz today.

What? No. You cannot agree with this and me because e's post directly contradicts what I think.

Well then I like a conglomeration of your posts?

I like not lynching Robz, and if he is survivor applaud his bravado. But I have zero problem with a vig (or mafia) taking him out tonight. And if he stays alive into tomorrow, we can discuss it then. But I don't like a Robz lynch today. Isn't that what you are saying?

[faust]

Well more or less. I would however add that I think we should definitely make sure that Robz dies until the end of D2.

[Witherweaver]

WW is still a good vote though.

Why is that?

I think rolefishing and SK hunting are valid foundations for a case at post #38. faust never said it was a tremendous case or the best ever, just what it was at the time.

And I felt your #111 post was forced and unnecessary in trying to create a process of elimination list when there is little to go off. Felt off.

I understand those two points might appear to contradict each other, but they really don't.

You're wrong, but you don't have to feel bad about it.

[J Reggie]

I could see Robz being an SK here but I'm fine not lynching him today.

[J Reggie]

I want to vote WW here, which means he's definitely WW.

[pingpongsam]

I want to vote WW here, which means he's definitely WW.

Yeah, he's the real deal as usual. I'm not feeing the inclination to vote him yet, though. Has he ever been lynched D1? I surely doubt it.

[Witherweaver]

I don't think I have.  I've gotten close before.

[The_Wine_Merchant]

I don't think I have.  I've gotten close before.

First time for everything.

[Witherweaver]

I don't think I have.  I've gotten close before.

First time for everything.

Only things that happen, actually.

[Robz888]

I haven't won a game since Mafia 93, FWIW. Just let me survive, people.

Ack, this was a lie, FYI. I won Mafia 99, which I was minimally involved with.

[Calamitas]

Just catched up and I want to know every public record we have of robz sticking to his word in such a situation.

Did he
a) play as survivor before
b) took part in a kingsmaker situation
c) he show departing from causal decision theory in other situations/games

Besides from that, can robz give us any evidence besides the claim that he is actually a survivor?

[gkrieg13]

Man Calamitas is hard for me to get a read on D1.