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[2.71828.....]

Good job Galzria.

I can't believe on D8 I kept starting to consider it but then everybody shot the idea down.  Oh well.

This was a great game!

The problem was you put it in a way that questioned my claim. And my claim was accurate and more or less provably so. It's the same problem Space put forth D9. I think you (or anybody) needed to put together a case that said "Yes, he's probably the JK, but he's ALSO probably scum.". Nobody ever really did.

Yeah, after your claim i basically believed you to be town because I knew you were telling the truth about slot 11.

On a different note, I am curious how other people might have played SK here. What role did you go for and what do you claim? I really liked landing bus driver, werewolves would have improved chances of winning, but suppose you get the #1 pick, what do you take, and what do you claim?

[Galzria]

Also my point about both Ash and Iguana preventing me from being on their wagons was well made I think. That kinda sucked.

On the other hand, in both situations I did have INTENT to vote, and it gave me another WIFOM card to play, which I simply love.

I self hammered because I thought the WIFOM would give you a bit more town credit than if I actually let you take the hammer

Yeah, I mean, it certainly goes both ways. And I love playing the "Is that REALLY the most logical explanation" card so it didn't really phase me. It wasn't until Space brought it up D9 that I even really considered it. I guess it's a know - your - partner thing. Worked well for me. Others might have preferred to be on a mafia lynch somewhere in the line!

[iguanaiguana]

Y NO WEREWOLVES E???

[Galzria]

Good job Galzria.

I can't believe on D8 I kept starting to consider it but then everybody shot the idea down.  Oh well.

This was a great game!

The problem was you put it in a way that questioned my claim. And my claim was accurate and more or less provably so. It's the same problem Space put forth D9. I think you (or anybody) needed to put together a case that said "Yes, he's probably the JK, but he's ALSO probably scum.". Nobody ever really did.

I didn't mean to put it in a way that questioned your claim.  If I did then that was bad on my part.

I think it definitely read that way - hence why it got shot down so quickly (without my saying a word). The timing was unfortunate as well with you already looking like the likely lynch.

[2.71828.....]

Y NO WEREWOLVES E???

Two reasons: 1) I didn't want to drag someone else into being scum after having recieved a town role. 2) I like the challenge. I have rolled SK a few times and I think I am getting better each time. I can win one eventually.....

[Galzria]

Y NO WEREWOLVES E???

He didn't want to drag someone else into being scum lol. I was sad.

Surprised he took Bus Driver over Alignment Cop though. Might've made for a hard claim later (knowing we would know he was SK), but it would give him tons of knowledge each night on who to shoot (or not shoot), who to scum read (or not scum read) etc.

[2.71828.....]

But even had i chosen werewolf, i would have had my same claiming difficulty.

Hey guys, position 6, slot 13, SK convert to werewolf. What?! You guys want to lynch me?

[iguanaiguana]

I think on massclaim day the mafia team was pretty convinced you and RR were werewolves together ^^

[iguanaiguana]

And that of course took down Ash...

[Dylan32]

Yeah, I think mafia knowing the random slot contents seems like a pretty huge advantage. It screws the SK if they get one like that, and it provides more info on what they could probably fake claim successfully.

[faust]

Yeah, I think mafia knowing the random slot contents seems like a pretty huge advantage. It screws the SK if they get one like that, and it provides more info on what they could probably fake claim successfully.

If they don't know though, they can't really fakeclaim anything, which hurts them quite badly.

[Dylan32]

Yeah, I think mafia knowing the random slot contents seems like a pretty huge advantage. It screws the SK if they get one like that, and it provides more info on what they could probably fake claim successfully.

If they don't know though, they can't really fakeclaim anything, which hurts them quite badly.

How would they know the list of all the roles in the slots, but not which slots they are actually in? They might be able to figure it out, especially if they win one of them, but it isn't a guarantee.  I might help the SK not get singled out, since they would know if he got 11 with convert to wws or 13 with wws, JK, and bus driver. Of course, his claim might still give it away, so it may not matter.

[iguanaiguana]

Question for Robz: were the mafia slots 100% random or did you do some sort of spread along the draft? Asking because we got two high, two middling, one low.

Question for town: Did anyone avoid bidding alignment cop in order to leave 'convert serial killer to VT' open?

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

I don't think at the point where it was trackable I ever lied about my jailing targets. After Jake was goneI jailed O most nights giving him the most amount of credit for living players to maybe have a PR (I was thinking Doctor) still. He would absolutely claim VT and hide it during mass claim...

The only night I didn't jail him was when I killed Awaclus and claimed to have jailed him "confirming" SM/RB - on the crazy chance O was a Doctor, had he targeted Awaclus then there "should" have been two protections. If O was in jail my kill would've succeeded thus outing me as scum on the claim to O. So I jailed nobody that night figuring the kill would happen but if it didn't... O would be confirmed Doctor and I wouldn't be caught in a lie.

I tracked you the night I died and found your target super suspicious and was all ready to go after you the next day.

[ashersky]

And that of course took down Ash...

Yeah, I really built my entire glass castle on a foundation of a werewolf team.  And when that turned out to be not true, well, that went terribly.

I tried to cause some chaos on the way out, but town (rightly) just ignored me.

[Robz888]

Question for Robz: were the mafia slots 100% random or did you do some sort of spread along the draft? Asking because we got two high, two middling, one low.

I rolled it full random. Then I re-rolled it a bunch of times, just like re-rolling one scum at a time, and sort of picked the one that seemed most balanced. I think the original roll had O as scum, which was just horrible since O was so far back in the draft, so I rolled it switching out O and got iguanaiguana instead, which looked way more balanced.

[Galzria]

Question for Robz: were the mafia slots 100% random or did you do some sort of spread along the draft? Asking because we got two high, two middling, one low.

I rolled it full random. Then I re-rolled it a bunch of times, just like re-rolling one scum at a time, and sort of picked the one that seemed most balanced. I think the original roll had O as scum, which was just horrible since O was so far back in the draft, so I rolled it switching out O and got iguanaiguana instead, which looked way more balanced.

Oh, so I can blame YOU and not the dice for making me scum!

[The_Wine_Merchant]

So the only town PR used to catch a scum was... the Hider catching iguanaiguana.

Booyah!

[Galzria]

I'm sad we're not going to hit 5,000 posts or break the post record (about 250 short). I think this game was going to be the last best hope of doing it (at least for quite some time).

[Dylan32]

I'm sad we're not going to hit 5,000 posts or break the post record (about 250 short). I think this game was going to be the last best hope of doing it (at least for quite some time).

We could start a deep conversation about random abstract theory to keep the thread alive, but that might defeat the point of it being the game that beats the limit

[schadd]

did someone mention long game threads?

[Robz888]

Also, it was great to have a big game with ZERO REPLACEMENTS! Can't thank you all enough for sticking it out, it's so much better when no one replaces out.

[O]

aw i woulda liked being scum

[iguanaiguana]

aw i woulda liked being scum

I would have liked being town!

[SpaceAnemone]

aw i woulda liked being scum

I would have liked being town!

I really wanted to be a werewolf :-(