Here's D3... it's really long, even in my abstracted version, so I'll stick it in a code box.
The main take-homes are:
1) Galz's position as the only not-conf!town on the e wagon looks a little less bad to be now than previously, when I read closely around how the build-up formed, since there was a scum (LL) around there earlier. Also, with Ash lurking to slink out of having to engage with people noticing how scummy he was, there were fewer scums available to be on the e wagon than it looks like there should have been.
2) Dylan makes noise to sound willing to participate in towny stuff, but notably has his vote on sudgy and his poorly-justified wagon for most of the day.
3) Galz's reads on ash, and proposed narratives for what happened in the night seem a bit jumpy. I intend to come back to this because I think the events of N2 and the claims of D3 and how it all actually played out are going to be the key to helping me make up my mind.
4) I did a lot of high-utility town work proposing the claiming exercise and making sure it got seen through to completion. We outed two scums, and als provided a load of evidence that I went on to use to push the case on LL that took him out too. I thought I was on fire this day, and I found it so funny that at the end of it all mcmc still claimed to have a scumread on me. If whichever of you is town needs a reminder of why dropping a vote on me now is a ridiculous idea, D3 is the start of my defence :-)
#2594 Day begins.
#2612 Galz summarises the deaths and says "I may have something I want to discuss on this topic." His options for the two deaths N1 and N2 are:
a) No Vig - SK + Mafia kills both night
b) Vig hasn't shot - SK + Mafia kills both night
c) Vig has shot, some kill each night has been prevented.
N1 faust claimed to have shot at sudgy (#2923), but was blocked by Galz.
N1 e appears to have killed Calamitas.
N1 scum appear to have killed gkrieg.
N2 faust claimed he'd vigged Cuzz.
N2 Eevee was killed by either SK or mafia.
#2621/#2625 I start pushing the benefits of having a conf!IC in Eevee's partner to run a claiming exercise, since D3 seems the optimal time to do so. This first push is mostly just ignored.
#2640 Dylan asks RR why e and Iguana can't both be scum (since RR said he thinks "one of" them is).
#2644 Dylan complains about the "I wouldn't do that as scum" line of argument/defence.
#2649 Galz argues against the other Mason coming out to run a claiming exercise. He says that scum want to know who's town and who isn't (to find the SK I guess?). He doesn't directly talk about the claiming exercise, but he is responding to O, who'd posted the same point I'd made about Eevee's partner being IC, though without the follow-up on how that's beneficial for a claiming exercise. Which is unfortunate, because he bolded it and people seemed to notice it more when he said it! Also, he'd been pushing a claiming exercise earlier in the game, but didn't seem to be doing so at that point. Anyway, it almost seems here like Galz would come out against the claiming exercise, but isn't saying so explicitly.
#2669 Galz makes his JK claim, also saying he had draft order 20 and got it from slot 11. It seems unavoidable that he JKd (or RBd?) faust N1. Convenient/unfortunate that he claims to have JKd ash N2.
#2677 O makes a good point about the presence/absence of a strongman, especially now we know ash was just a goon. So for Galz to be town, we need to explain why scum-goon!ash was making the kill rather than scum-strongman!Dylan. Though I guess the cleanest answer there is that if Galz is town, then the reason he wasn't able to JK someone to protect from the kill was that the remaining scum is an RB or a JOAT, rather than a strongman.
#2678 faust claims 2-shot vig and votes Galz. His case is
a) he claims to have blocked the two players that are most likely to have strong PRs.
b) him thinking I am the vig based on very circumstantial evidence shows he is actively looking for a vig. Which is the kind of thing mafia would do if they don't have that role in their team.
c) he basically outed both of us as PRs on D2 with no benefit to town. The only thing he could hope to get with that move is my trust, and that is something that scum wants much much more than town.
d) the jailkeep mcmc plan is obviously awful due to Strongman/Rolebocker (both of which exist separately AND as part of a JOAT).
#2682 Galz asks faust whether he shot one of the people who died N2, but only [i]after[/i] stating he wants to make a conditional vote on ash, as if he's not considering reasons for the missing kill other than that he blocked ash from making the faction kill (like mafia targeting the same person a the SK, or the SK having targeted ash).
#2692 LL followed faust onto Galz, but then unvoted again at #2728 after a discussion about how he doesn't believe in the suboptimal play of Galz. He stays as "not voting" until the sudden dive onto the Jimmmmm wagon happens.
#2751 Me trying to push a claiming exercise with TWM, since my earlier attempt wasn't picked up by anyone. While TWM responds that he wouldn't be happy running the claim, my overall proposal does pick up some more support this time round.
#2773/#2774 More work from me trying to find a way to get the claiming exercise off the ground in spite of predictable scum opposition from e.
#2794 Galz is 3rd onto the ash wagon, after a post in which he outlines a lot of reasons why he believes faust to be town (mostly since coming out with the D2 opening in which he hints at knowledge of night actions wouldn't have been sensible as scum).
#2832 Iguana reluctantly(?) supports the massclaim, but suggests an alteration that might slow it down and/or offer scum places to hide if they know where the VTs are and what they'd bid.
#2836 I put forward the idea we eventually run with, which is to claim draft order and VT/non-VT in the first round, and then slot and role in the second, which avoids the loophole where scum get fake slots to bid too easily.
#2847 Awaclus posts his claiming order. It's missing faust, Galz, TWM and mcmc, and has O at the end because he was sure O was scum. Unfortunately, ash, iguana and LL are all low on the list ordering.
#2913/#2914 More of me trying to push through the claims and not let them stall or be slowed down by scum or by foot-dragging townies. I think making the claiming exercise run to completion and root out at least two or three scums (ash and e, plus also I pushed through the LL lynch using my suspicion over his claim as big part of the case) is the towniest thing I've achieved, and if the rest of you still think I look scummy, then maybe you should re-read that part of the game. (See also #2971/#2972,#3026,#3048,#3134,#3135,#3178...).
#2915 Dylan's case on sudgy, following on from faust's recent sudgy vote at #2911. It's still weak, and Dylan takes sudgy's claiming-exercise info into account, but then doesn't appear interested in anything else the overall exercise may bring up. He leaves his vote on sudgy for the rest of D3.
#3085 Galz unvotes in light of the e/RR situation. He jumps immediately to the option that one of the two of them shot at ash, instead of any of the options in which ash is still scum. I don't actually see any evidence at this point for ash not being scum -- he's getting scummier and scummier with his "I know some things and might share if you stop the massclaim" nonsense. I actually don't like this post from Galz in retrospect.
#3096 Dylan puts down a "preliminary vote" on e, saying he doesn't want to run e's wagon up too much before the claiming is done. That seems quite towny, but otoh, not ending the day too quickly was something I was quite vocal about earlier, so he could just have been parroting that in the hope of townpoints.
#3119 Galz joins the e wagon in 6th place, citing an impending absence as a reason for getting a vote down. LL is already on-wagon. A couple of posts later, he points out that he realised he was off by a day (i.e. it was a Thursday and not a Friday already), but notably doesn't unvote in the meantime.
#3120 Dylan is willing to push e to L-2, but asks about coordination to give mcmc the hammer.
#3176 e wagon briefly peaks at 7 when e self-votes. He then votes ash in the very next post.
#3212 Dylan defending ash. Given how scummy I was finding ash at that point, I feel surprised at how confidently he says that he thinks ash is just being dramatic about his claim so that people pay attention because scum doesn't want that...
#3241 This is Dylan's last post of the day; the hammer was about 17 hours later.
#3295 LL moves to bus ash, after e claims to be the Survivor rather than the SK, and says that RR is obv!town. That leaved Galz and 4 known townies on the e wagon. I guess that's marginally less improbable than a wagon growing up to that size without a scum driving it, though (otherwise Galz being the only possible-scum on-wagon looks really suspicious).
#3319 Galz is the only not-conf-town in the seven-person wagon on e. That seems way too tempting a wagon for scum to be on, given that the alternative is the ash wagon.
#3321 LL joins the e wagon. I think he would have joined earlier if there hadn't already been a scum on-wagon, though there was the issue of having to play along with the coordination with mcmc.
#3322 e self-hammers, meaning no HH powers for mcmc.
ash (3): O, faust, Jake
sudgy (1): Dylan
e (9): RR, PPS, Galz, sudgy, TWM, Space, Jimmmmm, LL, e
Not Voting (4): Awaclus, iguana, ash, mcmc
#3341 Mcmc still reads me as "very scummy" -- I found this so funny I made a note of it in my QT. At least he covers himself by saying that I always feel scummy to him. I thought that game day was a great example of me being super-townie and useful :-P
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