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[Roadrunner7671]

The problem is that I distrust Faust, so either he's bussing iguana or diverting attention from Space, but I can't figure out which.

You distrust me, therefore I must be scum?

If you're so sure that I am scum, you should vote for me and not for Space/iguana.

No, I distrust you because I think you're scum

And why is that?

Why would ashersky do a 1 for 1 trade?

[LaLight]

I think I can believe in a world with scum team of Space/Iguana/faust. But I really want to decide Space/iguana situation first and then lynch faust

[O]

I think I can believe in a world with scum team of Space/Iguana/faust. But I really want to decide Space/iguana situation first and then lynch faust

Well first tell me if Faust is bussing you or not and then we can figure out if he's trying to bus Iguana or deflect.

[O]

Did we ever get a full claim of who Jake tracked? I know he tracked Ashersky..

[LaLight]

I think I can believe in a world with scum team of Space/Iguana/faust. But I really want to decide Space/iguana situation first and then lynch faust

Well first tell me if Faust is bussing you or not and then we can figure out if he's trying to bus Iguana or deflect.

He's not bussing me because I am not scum. But he may try to set a mislynch up on me

[O]

I think I can believe in a world with scum team of Space/Iguana/faust. But I really want to decide Space/iguana situation first and then lynch faust

Well first tell me if Faust is bussing you or not and then we can figure out if he's trying to bus Iguana or deflect.

He's not bussing me because I am not scum. But he may try to set a mislynch up on me

I'm not convinced Faust has seriously attempted a bus at all this game. At the very least he's brazenly made cases against multiple town members and openly vigged other ones..

Hard to say whether he'd throw in at least one real bus (no, Ashersky really really really doesn't count) into his pure town-hunting.

[O]

We have a 50-50 on Space/Iguana, which we can kind of take whenever. It's not like resolving that 50-50 right now is somehow crucial.  Do we think Faust's flip is going to illuminate who to lynch among those two?

It's probably the best action to still resolve the 50-50 but I've been thinking it's a must-do when it really isn't.

[faust]

We have a 50-50 on Space/Iguana, which we can kind of take whenever. It's not like resolving that 50-50 right now is somehow crucial.  Do we think Faust's flip is going to illuminate who to lynch among those two?

Well if that's going to happen, just promise me to lynch iguana afterwards.

It shouldn't happen really. No evidence is pointing towards me being scum, and if you really considered the ash/me interaction, you would realize that we're in no way scum together.

[O]

We have a 50-50 on Space/Iguana, which we can kind of take whenever. It's not like resolving that 50-50 right now is somehow crucial.  Do we think Faust's flip is going to illuminate who to lynch among those two?

Well if that's going to happen, just promise me to lynch iguana afterwards.

It shouldn't happen really. No evidence is pointing towards me being scum, and if you really considered the ash/me interaction, you would realize that we're in no way scum together.

Baynesian stats aren't evidence? Every town you vig/hard commit a case against makes it less likely you're a town member.

[LaLight]

We have a 50-50 on Space/Iguana, which we can kind of take whenever. It's not like resolving that 50-50 right now is somehow crucial.  Do we think Faust's flip is going to illuminate who to lynch among those two?

It's probably the best action to still resolve the 50-50 but I've been thinking it's a must-do when it really isn't.

It may be crucial if one of them is strongman, because then Galzria will be useful

[O]

actually thinking about roles I might have to retract all suspicion against Faust...

[O]

what stage in the role claiming was Ashersky?

[LaLight]

This is the order:

JaketheBaseballGod22
sudgy
pingpongsam
SpaceAnemone
Jimmmmm
Dylan32
2.71828......
ashersky
RoadRunner7671
iguanaiguana
LaLight
O
Awaclus

If this list contains people who already claimed and I missed it, I would like them to claim again.

[O]

Slot 1: faust, 2-shot vig.
Slot 2: PPS, restless Sheeper.
*Slot 3: No Claim; assume RB if anything.
Slot 4: Ashersy, Role Cop. (Could also be inventor (or even watcher)).
*Slot 5: No Claim; assume JOAT if anything.
Slot 6: Jimmmmm, Masonic Lover.
*Slot 7: No Claim (Tracker went to slot 12 according to Jake. Other options here are Godfather-er & 1-shot BP).
*Slot 8: No Claim (JK went to 11 according to Galz. Strongman could have been taken from here).
Slot 9: mcmc, Hammer Hero.
Slot 10: TWM, Hider.
Slot 11: Galz, JK.
Slot 12: Jake, Tracker (he says other option was 1-shot commuter).
Slot 13: Apparently went to e, who got 1-shot Bus Driver that had been at slot 6.

credit to Space with bolding by me.

How many of these do we think actually had no attempts at them?

[O]

we can be moderately confident that Ashersky claimed a slot that was claimed by scum. But he was in hot water so its not completely out of the question that he would fakeclaim a slot.

[O]

eh he wasn't that hot back then.. scum almost certainly have slot 4.

[faust]

We have a 50-50 on Space/Iguana, which we can kind of take whenever. It's not like resolving that 50-50 right now is somehow crucial.  Do we think Faust's flip is going to illuminate who to lynch among those two?

Well if that's going to happen, just promise me to lynch iguana afterwards.

It shouldn't happen really. No evidence is pointing towards me being scum, and if you really considered the ash/me interaction, you would realize that we're in no way scum together.

Baynesian stats aren't evidence? Every town you vig/hard commit a case against makes it less likely you're a town member.

Context is relevant. If I remember correctly, you hav enot caught any more scum than I have so far too. It's easy to just point at my kills and say "that's scummy", but the PPS kill was always pro-town and not something scum wants to happen, so you have exactly one piece of evidence, namely my Cuzz kill; 7 other poeple were part of the Cuzz wagon that you for some reason do not suspect.

[faust]

we can be moderately confident that Ashersky claimed a slot that was claimed by scum. But he was in hot water so its not completely out of the question that he would fakeclaim a slot.

What? ash claimed after everyone else. He could have cherrypicked anything.

[O]

we can be moderately confident that Ashersky claimed a slot that was claimed by scum. But he was in hot water so its not completely out of the question that he would fakeclaim a slot.

What? ash claimed after everyone else. He could have cherrypicked anything.

oh right, that was silly of me. he claimed slot when he claimed role which was super late.

[O]

We have a 50-50 on Space/Iguana, which we can kind of take whenever. It's not like resolving that 50-50 right now is somehow crucial.  Do we think Faust's flip is going to illuminate who to lynch among those two?

Well if that's going to happen, just promise me to lynch iguana afterwards.

It shouldn't happen really. No evidence is pointing towards me being scum, and if you really considered the ash/me interaction, you would realize that we're in no way scum together.

Baynesian stats aren't evidence? Every town you vig/hard commit a case against makes it less likely you're a town member.

Context is relevant. If I remember correctly, you hav enot caught any more scum than I have so far too. It's easy to just point at my kills and say "that's scummy", but the PPS kill was always pro-town and not something scum wants to happen, so you have exactly one piece of evidence, namely my Cuzz kill; 7 other poeple were part of the Cuzz wagon that you for some reason do not suspect.

Sorry what? I pushed extremely hard for the Ashersky wagon on like D2.

I also disagree about the degree that PPS's role was harmful later on. It certainly could be played around.

[O]

Cuzz wagon: faust, sudgy, pingpongsam, dylan, Andrew, space, iguana, Jake

I'm scumreading 2
3 are dead (townies)
2 are massive lurkers
Iguana i'm not scumreading mostly because i have this false dichotomy between Space/Iguana when both could absolutely be scum.

So all in all I'd say Sudgy and Dylan are slightly scummier for wagoning cuzz but have mostly lurked their way under my sights.

[faust]

Iguana i'm not scumreading mostly because i have this false dichotomy between Space/Iguana when both could absolutely be scum.

So you're not scumreading iguana because he could be scum?

[faust]

Iguana i'm not scumreading mostly because i have this false dichotomy between Space/Iguana when both could absolutely be scum.

So you're not scumreading iguana because he could be scum?

Oh, nevermind, I read it wrong. It's not completely clear to me why you scumread Space.

[faust]

The problem is that I distrust Faust, so either he's bussing iguana or diverting attention from Space, but I can't figure out which.

You distrust me, therefore I must be scum?

If you're so sure that I am scum, you should vote for me and not for Space/iguana.

No, I distrust you because I think you're scum

And why is that?

Why would ashersky do a 1 for 1 trade?

He hatched the plan when he thought he would lose anyway due to the mcmc/TWM situation and just wanted to have some fun.

[O]

Iguana i'm not scumreading mostly because i have this false dichotomy between Space/Iguana when both could absolutely be scum.

So you're not scumreading iguana because he could be scum?

I'm acknowledging a mental trap i played myself into, yes.

Implicitly I was saying I need to revise my assessment of Iguana.



Also I've been rereading Space and D3 and D4 Space is pretty much the best analysis / most coherent play out of anyone here, putting loads of effort in.

Unfortunately for Space I don't townread players for having excellent analysis.. but still makes me slightly reconsider since Space would be an excellent person to have around if she is town.