Look, it appears that for some reason folks may be leaning toward faust being terrible town here, which I just don't understand. Obviously, I'm biased since I know my own alignment and role. Faust is als a biased voice.
Here are facts that are indisputable from a neutral, unbiased perspective:
1. Claimed information about ashersky points to him being town, while claimed information about faust points to him being scum. I claimed Role Cop, got results that point the finger at a player very strongly, and have been claimed to have been jailed two nights in which deaths have occurred, rendering me ineligible to have made kills. All of those things are towny things. Faust claimed to have killed two town members on purpose, including the claimed Sheeper, and has a player with a guilty result on him. Those are scummy things.
2. Faust's play throughout the game has pointed toward him being scum. There's the claiming to kill town on purpose. There's the false sense of danger and fear with which he opened Day 3. This is a big point: go read his opening, he makes it sound like town is in dire danger of losing. If I'm lying and he's telling the truth, then he ABSOLUTELY KNOWS that there is no danger at all because there can only be one kill per night, so there's no rush. And yet he acts like we're at MYLO.
2b. Compare that to what the actual possibilities are. If I'm lying, there's no imminent danger to town at all, and faust is riling people up on purpose. If I'm lying, faust is a named VT now, and he has no reason to need to survive. So Faust's actions point to something hidden, because if I'm lying, there's no reasons for his attitude, behavior, posts, or fears.
3. ashersky's actions make little sense as scum. As mentioned, if I'm lying, I'm doing this to...lynch a scummy VT? At the cost of my own lynch? The scummy players who are trying to push this narrative are ignoring the gigantic elephants in the room. There are TWO claimed PRs who are much more important to remove from the game for scum, and yet I decide to go after the scummy player who has no power at all. Both the Tracker and JK if town are much bigger threats to scum, and scum should be trying to get them lynched/killed.
These are not matters of opinion (maybe you can argue the relative value of a Tracker vs. Jailkeeper vs. Named Townie to town, but it's pretty clear cut where the utility lies). These are facts that have surfaced during the game. The claims occurred. They point toward only one realistic conclusion.
It's clear there are biases, and that most of those biases are against me. I have no expectation that O will take a step back from his emotions and look at the situation logically. I have no expectation that scum, especially scum under Faust's thumb, will do anything against whatever Faust's plan is, because that's what good scum partners do. I know a few other players have developed personal biases over time, and they can be hard to overcome.
But if you are someone who's able to distance yourself from bias, especially conscious bias, and look at the information we know, it's clear who's lying.
Scum's biggest advantage in any mafia game is information. They have much more of it than we do. It is town's responsibility to look at the information we gain through every means possible, review it, and act on it. To blanket dismiss some information because of a personal bias against the source is not how we win.
Again, if I'm lying, the worst thing that happens is a named VT gets lynched and there's an easy lynch tomorrow. And that's even discounting the edge case where this is town vs. town (if I've been jailed every night, my No Result on Faust on N1 is because of jailing, not him lying. If I was blocked that night, etc.).
But if you believe scum here, and lynch me instead, town loses a PR who can (HOPEFULLY) confirm someone else, and I can be confirmed by the Tracker, if he's real.
It's all about compare and contrast, peoples. I have a super confirmable claim and actual value to town; faust has a super convenient and unconfirmable claim and no value to town. Lynching him costs the town nothing, has no downside (just a VT), and has significant upside (catch scum if ash is telling the truth, high chance of catching scum is ash is lying). Lynching me costs the town something (investigations) and has a significant downside, and little upside (lynched scum is ash is lying is the only one I can come up with).
Faust is more likely to be scum and is less risk to town's chances as a mislynch. Ashersky is less likely to be scum (by far) and much higher risk to town's chances if mislynched.
I can't imagine this doesn't answer any and all questions and doubts.
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