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[mcmcsalot]

Sorry lalight, we A) don't know he's telling the truth, B) survivor is almost always a liability to town. It's far better to lynch him.

[Jimmmmm]

maybe e will work with us now? I don't like lynching Survivor

As e admits, he can work with scum at Lylo (say 2 scum 2 Town 1 Survivor). If it gets to that point he's basically scum. Which means we need him dead, and scum aren't going to kill him for us.

This is kingmaking. E might decide to work with town in that case

He might. But the right thing for him to do would be to take the win with scum rather than risk being lynched or NKed.

[SpaceAnemone]

My gut wants to vote Ash here, but presumably he just acts like this to be provocative.

I don't know why we should trust that e took "convert SK to Survivor" over one of the other slot 13 options, so I'm still willing to support that lynch, too, and it seems sensible, since either he's the SK, in which case we take out an entire night kill, or he's mafia working with ash. Since ash seems to claim he can implicate probable werewolves, I doubt he's town unless e is mafia, so e is the more informative one to flip.

[2.71828.....]

maybe e will work with us now? I don't like lynching Survivor

As e admits, he can work with scum at Lylo (say 2 scum 2 Town 1 Survivor). If it gets to that point he's basically scum. Which means we need him dead, and scum aren't going to kill him for us.

This is kingmaking. E might decide to work with town in that case

He might. But the right thing for him to do would be to take the win with scum rather than risk being lynched or NKed.

Well, in that scenario I could take the win with either group.  I would be the king, town and scum my pawns.

But we won't get there

[SpaceAnemone]

My gut wants to vote Ash here, but presumably he just acts like this to be provocative.

I don't know why we should trust that e took "convert SK to Survivor" over one of the other slot 13 options, so I'm still willing to support that lynch, too, and it seems sensible, since either he's the SK, in which case we take out an entire night kill, or he's mafia working with ash. Since ash seems to claim he can implicate probable werewolves, I doubt he's town unless e is mafia, so e is the more informative one to flip.

Sorry -- that should be "either he is/was the SK". I actually believe there's a chance he could be a Survivor here, but I don't think it's a gamble we need to take.

[Jimmmmm]

maybe e will work with us now? I don't like lynching Survivor

As e admits, he can work with scum at Lylo (say 2 scum 2 Town 1 Survivor). If it gets to that point he's basically scum. Which means we need him dead, and scum aren't going to kill him for us.

This is kingmaking. E might decide to work with town in that case

He might. But the right thing for him to do would be to take the win with scum rather than risk being lynched or NKed.

Well, in that scenario I could take the win with either group.  I would be the king, town and scum my pawns.

But we won't get there

You could win with either group if it's 1v1v1. But at 2v2v1 to win with Town you'd have to survive 2 Days and a Night. If I was scum and a claimed Survivor was refusing to work with me for the guaranteed win, I think I'd NK him out of spite.

[2.71828.....]

maybe e will work with us now? I don't like lynching Survivor

As e admits, he can work with scum at Lylo (say 2 scum 2 Town 1 Survivor). If it gets to that point he's basically scum. Which means we need him dead, and scum aren't going to kill him for us.

This is kingmaking. E might decide to work with town in that case

He might. But the right thing for him to do would be to take the win with scum rather than risk being lynched or NKed.

Well, in that scenario I could take the win with either group.  I would be the king, town and scum my pawns.

But we won't get there

You could win with either group if it's 1v1v1. But at 2v2v1 to win with Town you'd have to survive 2 Days and a Night. If I was scum and a claimed Survivor was refusing to work with me for the guaranteed win, I think I'd NK him out of spite.

exactly.  which is why I tried to claim slot 19, VT

I didn't want to out myself to scum.  If I claim my actual bid order and slot with nice flowery towny-sounding roles, I out myself to scum, but not town.

Scum then doesn't want to lynch me or kill me and I survive for a while.  Until town catches on.

OR I take a risk and try to get a VT fake-claim from a dead player.  High risk, high reward, but I don't burn all my bridges with town

[Jimmmmm]

We need to lynch e, and we need to do it right. Also, I need to go to bed.

Vote: e

Can someone else vote, and someone trustworthy work with mcmc to hammer?

[2.71828.....]

I still fully expect to still get lynched today, but ended up deciding not to just roll over and let it happen.  I want to prove to you that I can still be useful and help town win

[SpaceAnemone]

@mcmc: are you comfortable with me putting my vote on e right now?

I notice that ash isn't voting, so depending on what other scummy people are online and mobile, it might be worth keeping a paranoid eye out for a quickhammer...

PPE: Ah, Jimmmmm just voted. I guess it's doubly important to be sure mcmc is watching now.

[2.71828.....]

I was given the information for slots 11 and 12, if people want me to claim that.  I probably won't if as it stands right now, which hurts town.  But I have to have some sort of leverage.  I am the survivor after all

[Jimmmmm]

PPE: Ah, Jimmmmm just voted. I guess it's doubly important to be sure mcmc is watching now.

Unvote

If it happens in the next ~20 minutes I can be the L-1. Otherwise I'll have to revote and go to bed.

[mcmcsalot]

2.7 is at L-3 currently

[LaLight]

Sorry lalight, we A) don't know he's telling the truth, B) survivor is almost always a liability to town. It's far better to lynch him.

maybe you're right. I just always thought that lynching survivor is sad.

Okay, I am ready to vote for him at your command

[mcmcsalot]

Now he's l-4 with jimm unvote, you can re-vote jimm.

[SpaceAnemone]

Vote: e

That should be L-3 now.

[mcmcsalot]

space to l-3, jimm to l-2. Then lalight to l-1 when I say so

[LaLight]

space to l-3, jimm to l-2. Then lalight to l-1 when I say so

got it. I am online for the next 2 hrs

[mcmcsalot]

Jim you can go ahead

[Jimmmmm]

Vote: e

mcmc you better get your vote ready.

[mcmcsalot]

Vote lalight

[LaLight]

vote: 2.71828.....

[2.71828.....]

vote: e

[mcmcsalot]

vote: 2.7

[2.71828.....]

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