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[ashersky]

Side bar: Jake's tracker claim happened, got called out as convenient, and then nothing?  I guess I'll see. 

(I saw TWM's call out at the top of the page where my last post was.)

[ashersky]

I can tell I'm gonna have to fight for my life to get 2.7 lynched then fight for my life again to convince you guys this isn't a scum mishap. I've never been counterclaimed before.

But you guys don't give me enough credit. I wouldn't accidentally counterclaim my partner, I'm not that bad at beinh scum.

Do you think e is?

No. That's what I'm saying. This isn't a scum mishap, we're both #2good

This seems super unbelievable.  Like, why wouldn't town be going hard after the other claimant?  There's no good town narrative for an accidental claim like this.  The town one in this argument should be going super hard at the other.

[ashersky]

So one of rr/2.7 has to be scum at least correct? That's good.

Yeah, though the fact that they gave exactly the same claim suggests they got it from the same place, so I'm suspicious of both of them. RR could just have copied e, but he seemed surprised at the matching, so I think it's more likely they both got it from the scum QT. It's also telling that they (along with Jimmmmm) were the ones who managed to "forget" or "not quite understand" about claiming bidding order in the first round of claims.

I'll point this out as a tremendous example of IIoA.  When the game ends, it should be in the mafia definition.

They point out all the data about the claims and such, but never take a stance on who is scummy for it.  Take a stand, yo.

[ashersky]

@Jake

And why ash and gkrieg?

Still want this answered.

Oh sorry. I felt gkrieg was being sorta different on D1 which was why I did him. I originally chose Faust N2 but later changed it to ashersky later on because I was checking to see if he was the sk.

You say that like you know for sure there's an SK...

Are you suggesting that his using SK doesn't provide for differentiation between SK and WW? Because there is certainly one or the other:

"Setup

This game includes 5 Mafia, 17 Townies, and 1 Odd-Night Bulletproof Serial Killer. The Serial Killer is automatically Odd-Night Bulletproof, regardless of whether the SK receives an additional PR from the slots. This causes the Serial Killer to survive a night kill on odd-numbered nights".

Seems a silly thing to call him on. I think most people use them interchangeably until we know for certain which is in the game.

I was pushing to see what he'd say, given what I think I know.  Your response is interesting on his behalf, what with the setup post quote to make sure we all know you are just sharing public knowledge and not something you might know for yourself.

So, yes, it was a "silly thing" to call him on, in a sense, but not in the way you are insinuating.  Also, I don't think anyone would interchangeably use the two terms on purpose.

[ashersky]

Ok, since I'm not sure how much I'll be able to be on later today (maybe a lot, maybe almost none), I'll go ahead and go rather than waiting for Jimmmmm.

To repeat, VT, bid #8.  I bid on slot 13 and did not get it.

Preliminary Vote: e pending official vote count. Don't want to run it up too high before claim is done.  I do think both RR and e are likely scum. That's seems to be the most likely explanation.

That would mean the winner of slot 13 came from bids #2, #3, #4 or #6 based off current knowledge --- with both 2.7 and RR claiming to have bid on the slot from #19.

Not calling your claim out here - but does anybody from top 6 really go for slot 13? Seems crazy to me.

I would go for the 13 spot if I had gotten #1. Getting to see 3 roles gives you so much information, you have your pick of roles from multiple slots and I love the random aspect personally.

This is such a sensible post by Jake here, showing he put in a lot of thought to the whole process.

Or his mafia teammates did.

[ashersky]

Caught up through page 124.  Back as soon as I can.

[faust]

I am here, but not caught up on the last however many pages -- just skimmed some the more recent stuff yesterday. 

If someone can tell me if there's more to the RR/2.7 thing than I'm understanding, I'd appreciate it.  They both claimed the exact same draft position and slot, correct?  And neither has even tried to correct themselves?  So one has to be lying.

So that's nice.

As for my information, I can still claim, although deadline is much closer than I expected.  I am directly countering someone, and I believe it very strongly suggests the existence of WWs (instead of just an SK) and who one or both are.

While that's important, if it isn't going to change the outcome of today's lynch (my info does not touch on RR/2.7), it seems better to save the info until tomorrow for a few reasons:

--if you think I'm lying, I'm easily blocked or dead tonight anyway
--if I die, my flip will tell you everything you need to know anyway

I'm going to go catch up now, as much as I can for now.

Yes you claim. YOu're not going to weasel yourself out of the massclaim. Vote: ashersky

[pingpongsam]

So the scum plan seems to be to have ashersky divert votes off the obvscum wagon enough to disrupt the mcmc hammer.

[mcmcsalot]

Yea ash sorry but we need you to claim. I still don't want to lynch anyone other than 2.7 today and we have 8 hours till deadline.

request vote count

I have given you lots and lots of time to claim and you keep not doing it, I'm looking to end the day soon and if it has to be without your claim you are going to be under lots of suspicion tommorow.

[2.71828.....]

Yea ash sorry but we need you to claim. I still don't want to lynch anyone other than 2.7 today and we have 8 hours till deadline.

request vote count

I have given you lots and lots of time to claim and you keep not doing it, I'm looking to end the day soon and if it has to be without your claim you are going to be under lots of suspicion tommorow.

I think this is a terrible idea. If you are already going to lynch me, then the only people that benefit from this additional information is scum. And town PRs, somewhat, but really not enough to merit extra claims

[SpaceAnemone]

Yea ash sorry but we need you to claim. I still don't want to lynch anyone other than 2.7 today and we have 8 hours till deadline.

request vote count

I have given you lots and lots of time to claim and you keep not doing it, I'm looking to end the day soon and if it has to be without your claim you are going to be under lots of suspicion tommorow.

I think this is a terrible idea. If you are already going to lynch me, then the only people that benefit from this additional information is scum. And town PRs, somewhat, but really not enough to merit extra claims

Not true at all. The benefit of getting the massclaim finished this day is that we expect to have fewer people alive tomorrow, and therefore a smaller pot of counterclaiming townies to stand in the way of scums. We absolutely should finish the claims today, including ash's one. Anything else is not giving town as much information as we could have to work with.

[ashersky]

Yea ash sorry but we need you to claim. I still don't want to lynch anyone other than 2.7 today and we have 8 hours till deadline.

request vote count

I have given you lots and lots of time to claim and you keep not doing it, I'm looking to end the day soon and if it has to be without your claim you are going to be under lots of suspicion tommorow.

This is not a great post.

To say I "keep not doing it" is unfair, as I've only been around rarely, and have explained when I am here.

As for being under suspicion tomorrow, that's fine.

The two posts after this are a point/counterpoint to the value of having my claim on board are useful.

[ashersky]

Yes you claim. YOu're not going to weasel yourself out of the massclaim. Vote: ashersky

You are the last (or second-to-last) person who I will listen to, given what I know.

[ashersky]

Yea ash sorry but we need you to claim. I still don't want to lynch anyone other than 2.7 today and we have 8 hours till deadline.

request vote count

I have given you lots and lots of time to claim and you keep not doing it, I'm looking to end the day soon and if it has to be without your claim you are going to be under lots of suspicion tommorow.

Also, looking to end the day soon is an understatement -- the day ends in less than 12 hours anyway.

I'm in the enviable position of having useful information that confirms one scum and maybe two.  And, I can die tonight and you still get this information.

This isn't a hider not appropriately allowing for town to know who I hid behind and dying without use.  This isn't a cop getting a result they can only share with the spectator QT.

I'm found money at this point.  The information I've leaked has me in scum's crosshairs, but they know killing me will out them definitively.

Basically, I've lived up to my proclamation from the beginning of the game.  I'll need to thank Jimmmmm (of all people) in my MVP acceptance speech.

[2.71828.....]

Absolutely love ashersky's play here

[Roadrunner7671]

So let's lynch 2.7 then ashersky, and let's not screw up the wagons in the process.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

Yea ash sorry but we need you to claim. I still don't want to lynch anyone other than 2.7 today and we have 8 hours till deadline.

request vote count

I have given you lots and lots of time to claim and you keep not doing it, I'm looking to end the day soon and if it has to be without your claim you are going to be under lots of suspicion tommorow.

Also, looking to end the day soon is an understatement -- the day ends in less than 12 hours anyway.

I'm in the enviable position of having useful information that confirms one scum and maybe two.  And, I can die tonight and you still get this information.

This isn't a hider not appropriately allowing for town to know who I hid behind and dying without use.  This isn't a cop getting a result they can only share with the spectator QT.

I'm found money at this point.  The information I've leaked has me in scum's crosshairs, but they know killing me will out them definitively.

Basically, I've lived up to my proclamation from the beginning of the game.  I'll need to thank Jimmmmm (of all people) in my MVP acceptance speech.

Vote: Ashersky

[pingpongsam]

Yea ash sorry but we need you to claim. I still don't want to lynch anyone other than 2.7 today and we have 8 hours till deadline.

request vote count

I have given you lots and lots of time to claim and you keep not doing it, I'm looking to end the day soon and if it has to be without your claim you are going to be under lots of suspicion tommorow.

Also, looking to end the day soon is an understatement -- the day ends in less than 12 hours anyway.

I'm in the enviable position of having useful information that confirms one scum and maybe two.  And, I can die tonight and you still get this information.

This isn't a hider not appropriately allowing for town to know who I hid behind and dying without use.  This isn't a cop getting a result they can only share with the spectator QT.

I'm found money at this point.  The information I've leaked has me in scum's crosshairs, but they know killing me will out them definitively.

Basically, I've lived up to my proclamation from the beginning of the game.  I'll need to thank Jimmmmm (of all people) in my MVP acceptance speech.

Vote: Ashersky

The scum plan is working.

[2.71828.....]

So let's lynch 2.7 then ashersky, and let's not screw up the wagons in the process.

Ashersky is town through. Like, obviously town. Like the proponents of the mass claim said, it is a losing proposition for scum to have so many counter claims.


Oh, and I am town too

[The_Wine_Merchant]

Side bar: Jake's tracker claim happened, got called out as convenient, and then nothing?  I guess I'll see. 

(I saw TWM's call out at the top of the page where my last post was.)

I called it out and haven't forgotten because your stuff and the RR e thing was bigger.

And Vote: ash

[The_Wine_Merchant]

So let's lynch 2.7 then ashersky, and let's not screw up the wagons in the process.

Ashersky is town through. Like, obviously town. Like the proponents of the mass claim said, it is a losing proposition for scum to have so many counter claims.


Oh, and I am town too

Screw that I want to vote e. he has been scummy all game. where are we there? Almost voted and could have messed everything up. Ha.

[2.71828.....]

Vote: ashersky

[The_Wine_Merchant]

Ok. Think we are good. I am at work all day. Vote: 2.7but ash should still claim if he can.

[The_Wine_Merchant]

Guessing. 2.7 is the bus driver and still has his shot and they want him to be able to use it tonight.

[2.71828.....]

Guessing. 2.7 is the bus driver and still has his shot and they want him to be able to use it tonight.

Wrong

But yeah, I did win slot 13 and chose convert SK to survivor.

All you guys thinking I am regular scum are way off. No way I make a mistake like not claiming Calamitas' spot as regular scum. Give me more credit than that. I know we lynch the survivor, which is why I didn't want to claim my role, and I also didn't want scum to know I was the survivor, so I had to guess for a dead townies role. And I almost got away with it.