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[Dylan32]

But either way, I'm going to hold off until after Ash throws down what he knows.

[Galzria]

I'm willing to go L-2 on e, but were we wanting some combination of Awaclus and TWM to coordinate with mcmc for the last 3 votes?

Generally, yes. But the only vote that actually matters is mcmc (who is vitally important).

[Galzria]

But either way, I'm going to hold off until after Ash throws down what he knows.

And yeah, I don't think we're done with the day.

[Dylan32]

But either way, I'm going to hold off until after Ash throws down what he knows.

And yeah, I don't think we're done with the day.

I agree.

Tangent: I will probably be around for the deadline unless I end up having to schedule meetings for that afternoon.

[Awaclus]

I'm fine with e lynch in general but it's too soon right now.

[LaLight]

Whose turn?

[sudgy]

I'm fine with e lynch in general but it's too soon right now.

ditto

[SpaceAnemone]

A curious thing: If e and RR truly took Calamitas' bids as their fakeclaim - why would Calamitas bid for slot 13 if he knows one of his teammates will win the slot before him?

I think it wouldn't be unreasonable for them both to claim Calamitas's place in the bidding order, and the independently both decide to claim slot 13 if they know it went to someone higher in the order than Calamitas (i.e. another mafia player), even if it wasn't Cal's slot.

[Roadrunner7671]

A curious thing: If e and RR truly took Calamitas' bids as their fakeclaim - why would Calamitas bid for slot 13 if he knows one of his teammates will win the slot before him?

I think it wouldn't be unreasonable for them both to claim Calamitas's place in the bidding order, and the independently both decide to claim slot 13 if they know it went to someone higher in the order than Calamitas (i.e. another mafia player), even if it wasn't Cal's slot.

You think I accidentally counterclaimed e?

[SpaceAnemone]

Whose turn?

Ash is next in the ordering list for claiming slot and role. It sounds like he's got plenty to say anyway.

After that, the rest of the order is:
iguanaiguana
LaLight
O
Awaclus
TWM & mcmc

[SpaceAnemone]

I'm fine with e lynch in general but it's too soon right now.

ditto

Ditto too. Though I'd also like to hear ash's big reveal, because that might colour things differently: he said his information implicates people other than e/RR, didn't he?

I'll feel super-vindicated if my obsessive pushing of the claiming plan turns out to have helped us finger all the bad guys simultaneously before the day is out :-)

[SpaceAnemone]

A curious thing: If e and RR truly took Calamitas' bids as their fakeclaim - why would Calamitas bid for slot 13 if he knows one of his teammates will win the slot before him?

I think it wouldn't be unreasonable for them both to claim Calamitas's place in the bidding order, and the independently both decide to claim slot 13 if they know it went to someone higher in the order than Calamitas (i.e. another mafia player), even if it wasn't Cal's slot.

You think I accidentally counterclaimed e?

I think the two of you both happened upon the same scum fake-claim, but you didn't think to check e's claim before making your own. It's possible you just picked a town VT to counter-claim on purpose, but that seems rather less likely. I think you being town and e being scum seems even more unlikely, but since e has been more vocal/opinionated in the game, I'm comfortable with him being the one lynched off first.

I'm not actually sure which of the two of you I think would have precedence in the bidding order, since you've both been around a lot longer than I have... does anyone else have any thoughts on that?

[Roadrunner7671]

My post after my claim was made 19 seconds after I posted my claim. You really think I didn't read e's post, read it ~5 seconds later, then had an outburst?

[SpaceAnemone]

My post after my claim was made 19 seconds after I posted my claim. You really think I didn't read e's post, read it ~5 seconds later, then had an outburst?

What, so you made a claim, knowing you were counterclaiming someone else in the game, and didn't claim it that same post? That's just a weird thing to do. I admit I hadn't examined that timing closely, because the two posts are on different pages for me. The timing is far less important than the fact that at least one of you must be lying because of the matching claim, though.

Either way, I'm happy to vote for e today, and to see whether ash's claim gives us more to chew over.

[Dylan32]

My post after my claim was made 19 seconds after I posted my claim. You really think I didn't read e's post, read it ~5 seconds later, then had an outburst?

That seems more likely than you knowing what he said, and in a separate post posting a reaction to the fact it was identical.  I don't know why you would have felt the need to split it into 2 posts like that. Maybe you did, but if you think about it, that possibility is probably a good chunk of the reason why the wagon is on e right now instead of you.

PPE 1

[Roadrunner7671]

That's just a weird thing to do.

RR breaks the meta.

[The_Wine_Merchant]

So RR, why does 2.7 do what he does and lie as scum, if you are being truthful and are town?

It makes sense for him to lie about having Calam's role. But why does he take yours? Where does the info come from? And so exactly? It is highly likely to not be coincidence. So how does he know your exact slot and role? If you want us to lynch him and not you, you need to come up with a narrative for that.

[Roadrunner7671]

So RR, why does 2.7 do what he does and lie as scum, if you are being truthful and are town?

It makes sense for him to lie about having Calam's role. But why does he take yours? Where does the info come from? And so exactly? It is highly likely to not be coincidence. So how does he know your exact slot and role? If you want us to lynch him and not you, you need to come up with a narrative for that.

This game is so crazy. Why do you think my first response was "THAT'S ME!"

I have no reasonable explanation. It's just insane.

[iguanaiguana]

I will claim in the morning if we haven't heard from Ash by then.

Given that e tried to push three different mislynches D1 & 2 (if you count TWM), then started the day by pushing my mislynch, I feel pretty damn good about how he slipped up here. My only sadness is that you guys all already voted him before I could read the thread and now I don't get the correct lynch stats.

[Jimmmmm]

Does anyone have any plausible theories regarding the e/RR thing?

[Roadrunner7671]

Does anyone have any plausible theories regarding the e/RR thing?

I don't.

[2.71828.....]

Does anyone have any plausible theories regarding the e/RR thing?

I do

[Galzria]

Does anyone have any plausible theories regarding the e/RR thing?

I do

Who did you shoot at last night?

[The_Wine_Merchant]

If you don't have a plausible theory then it must be that you both obtained it from a shated source. So you must be partners and therefore scum.

DO you agree?

Otherwise come up with something. Your unwillingness to even try is telling.

[The_Wine_Merchant]

Does anyone have any plausible theories regarding the e/RR thing?

I do

Let's hear them.