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[JaketheBaseballGod22]

Hmm, jake being very jake like, not sure what to make of it. Probably town.

Jake like?

[ashersky]

Awaclus should lead the massclaim.

This is ridiculous. Awaclus is the most likely townie.

Hence why he should lead.

[ashersky]

Galz still fully ignoring the fact that if he's JK, he doctored me.  If he's looking for a phantom kill...

And this has been said right?  That the N1 thing was a setup in that there is no missing kill and Faust/team has just killed each night? 

Two kills + two kills.  Make up a missing one for N1 to use a "missing" one to frame someone D3.

I can literally come up with multiple scenarios for this supposed thing for which there is no actual evidence. 

I do like how every single claim so far this game has been mostly just believed.  100+ games and still no immediate D1 mass claim.  We've got to do it eventually (just not in The Flash RMM, coming soon!).

[ashersky]

Theory question for anyone that wants to answer it.

If you were mafia, would you have bus driven mcmc last night or would you have saved it for a later day?

With only 1-shot, it's in the scum team's best interest you use it with lots of info.  And the very public mod ruling would absolutely require that a scum bus driver save their shot.  That Robz post killed a lot of strategy space for scum.

Scum would know this a lot better than town would.  Vote: ashersky I think that's L-3.

I'm really busy again over the next couple of days.

PPE L-2

Easily the weakest note I have ever seen.

Player A: "Hey, what would scum go in this situation?"
Player B: "The clear and obvious thing is X."
Player S: "Vote player B OMG he knows what scum would do he's scum!!!"

Better arrest all the good cops in the world for figuring out what obvious moves criminals will make.

[The_Wine_Merchant]

I am not too concerned with a mass claim and personally have zero desire to lead it.

What I don't want is to get it to the point that any focus on actual scum hunting is lost. But claiming could potentially help with that. So if we are going to do it, do it and keep scum hunting at the same time.

[The_Wine_Merchant]

sudgy still looks like a good vote.

[The_Wine_Merchant]

Honestly. I am more inclined to vote for ash for his posts yesterday than for the JK stuff. I do think that interaction is worth remembering and paying attention to as the game goes forward and with other actions. But the two combined are certainly worth of votes.

[iguanaiguana]

I am OKAY with the mass claim.

I had one thought about it.

Maybe VTs should volunteer to claim all their info first? As in, before we go ahead with a full on mass claim proper, maybe we should do a round where all players claim VT with their draft order and what they bid for, or just claim "Not VT." Then, afterward, we do a full run of all PRs.

That way any scum who might want to claim VT because of another claim that would conflict with their fakeclaim are forced to pick claiming VT or PR with as little info as possible given to them by other people's claims.

[The_Wine_Merchant]

I like "not VT" then circle around and do the draft order and role not obtained second for them.

[The_Wine_Merchant]

But maybe that is too complicated and would just stall the game out for little benefit.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

I am OKAY with the mass claim.

I had one thought about it.

Maybe VTs should volunteer to claim all their info first? As in, before we go ahead with a full on mass claim proper, maybe we should do a round where all players claim VT with their draft order and what they bid for, or just claim "Not VT." Then, afterward, we do a full run of all PRs.

That way any scum who might want to claim VT because of another claim that would conflict with their fakeclaim are forced to pick claiming VT or PR with as little info as possible given to them by other people's claims.

I like this

[SpaceAnemone]

I am not too concerned with a mass claim and personally have zero desire to lead it.

What I don't want is to get it to the point that any focus on actual scum hunting is lost. But claiming could potentially help with that. So if we are going to do it, do it and keep scum hunting at the same time.

That makes sense. The main reason it interests me is that it gets a lot more logic-ing and likelihoods and stuff into the game (things I can get my teeth into), but I think it should turn the heat up on scum if they haven't prepared really thoroughly for it, and that heat should help the people who're good at more gut-readsy sorts of scum-hunting (not me!).

You don't have to lead, but as one of the more universally-held townreads, it would be very helpful if you could provide a scum-to-town ordering list so that the people who are interested i pushing it along have as close to an IC-generated ordering as possible. Same for mcmc.

PPE 2

Hmm.. interesting. I think iguana's method has merit as long as we can push the overall exercise along quickly enough to get through two iterations of it. However, does it give the non-VTs too much info if they know drat order and slots of all the VTs? Maybe claim draft order and VT/non-VT in the first round, and then slot and role in the second?

PPE 2 more...

[iguanaiguana]

Maybe claim draft order and VT/non-VT in the first round, and then slot and role in the second?

This seems like the best way to go.

[Awaclus]

Maybe claim draft order and VT/non-VT in the first round, and then slot and role in the second?

This seems like the best way to go.

I approve of this.

[Roadrunner7671]

Maybe claim draft order and VT/non-VT in the first round, and then slot and role in the second?

This seems like the best way to go.

I approve of this.

As do I. Who gets to make the order?

[iguanaiguana]

Awaclus should just propose an order now.

[sudgy]

Theory question for anyone that wants to answer it.

If you were mafia, would you have bus driven mcmc last night or would you have saved it for a later day?

With only 1-shot, it's in the scum team's best interest you use it with lots of info.  And the very public mod ruling would absolutely require that a scum bus driver save their shot.  That Robz post killed a lot of strategy space for scum.

Scum would know this a lot better than town would.  Vote: ashersky I think that's L-3.

I'm really busy again over the next couple of days.

PPE L-2

Easily the weakest note I have ever seen.

Player A: "Hey, what would scum go in this situation?"
Player B: "The clear and obvious thing is X."
Player S: "Vote player B OMG he knows what scum would do he's scum!!!"

Better arrest all the good cops in the world for figuring out what obvious moves criminals will make.

It's combined with the 17 other things you've done.  I just thought that was a fun way to vote.

Anyway, I support this massclaim.

[Awaclus]

Is it established that I'm choosing the order? I don't want to announce the order and then have people debate whether or not we should be using it after the fact.

[O]

I have no problem claiming first so I have no problem with Awaclus's order even if it's going to be atrocious.

[The_Wine_Merchant]

Is it established that I'm choosing the order? I don't want to announce the order and then have people debate whether or not we should be using it after the fact.

You have my blessing. Not that you needed it. So I say go for it and anyone that disagrees can take it up with me after the fact.

[The_Wine_Merchant]

Quick question to remind myself as I am looking at something else but want to follow-up:

How did faust respond to O claiming to be 2-shot vig? Although I guess it was a joke. So maybe any reaction, or lack thereof would be tainted?

[O]

It was pretty obviously a joke but I'd argue the 2 shot big is more like
ly to respond than others

[Awaclus]

This is the order:

JaketheBaseballGod22
sudgy
pingpongsam
SpaceAnemone
Jimmmmm
Dylan32
2.71828......
ashersky
RoadRunner7671
iguanaiguana
LaLight
O
Awaclus

If this list contains people who already claimed and I missed it, I would like them to claim again.

[Awaclus]

Also, don't read too much into it. A lot of the order was pretty arbitrary and might or might not have been largely representative of my reads.

[pingpongsam]

I'm fine with the ordering, I didn't really care we just needed one. I just thought it was funny you put O near the bottom and me near the top. O is funny because you generally want your scum reads first so they make the least informed claim. Me because not only have I claimed but I have actually, publicly used my role repeatedly and had discussion surrounding it even specifying the means of obtaining it... but I have no qualms posting it again when time comes.