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[The_Wine_Merchant]

will claim should be "should claim."

[SpaceAnemone]

And I will bring this up again. I think a town 1-shot Bus Driver will claim. To the extent that if someone decided to claim this on a later day I will refuse to believe them and consider them scum.

What do you think of having a full claim of ordering and slots today?

[The_Wine_Merchant]

And I will bring this up again. I think a town 1-shot Bus Driver will claim. To the extent that if someone decided to claim this on a later day I will refuse to believe them and consider them scum.

What do you think of having a full claim of ordering and slots today?

Probably benefits and downsides. I wouldn't be comfortable dictating or really giving an informed opinion as correctly weighing the pro's and con's isn't something I think I would do well. I like Mason claim and the Bus Driver. Beyond that? Not sure. But I am interested in hearing from others who might be able to weigh both sides better than me.

[faust]

Also, TWM got pretty lucky here.

Why?

I did what I thought mafia thought I was least likely to do. I think I properly WIFOMed them

I considered shooting you to test your claim.

[faust]

Also, TWM got pretty lucky here.

Why?

I did what I thought mafia thought I was least likely to do. I think I properly WIFOMed them

I considered shooting you to test your claim.

In fact, that was my order for like the first 24 hours of the night.

[ashersky]

And I will bring this up again. I think a town 1-shot Bus Driver will claim. To the extent that if someone decided to claim this on a later day I will refuse to believe them and consider them scum.

I agree with this -- a town 1-Shot BD should claim, although without targets.

And then you should try to explain why you would ever choose that role as town while we lynch you, because really, town bus driver?

[ashersky]

Ash, do you think you would have been a NK target last night?

In your opinion, why would a scum faction want to kill you?

One of any number of reasons:

--Because they think I am the other scum faction.
--Because they think I have a PR.
--Because of the tried and true "his reads are too good" OR "his reads are so bad maybe people will think he was killed because they were good and throw suspicion on others."

Probably in that order, if we're being honest.

[The_Wine_Merchant]

Also, TWM got pretty lucky here.

Why?

I did what I thought mafia thought I was least likely to do. I think I properly WIFOMed them

I considered shooting you to test your claim.

In fact, that was my order for like the first 24 hours of the night.

Well then I was lucky or rather you were lucky if you are town. I wasn't considering a vig when I made my choices.

[faust]

Ash, do you think you would have been a NK target last night?

In your opinion, why would a scum faction want to kill you?

One of any number of reasons:

--Because they think I am the other scum faction.
--Because they think I have a PR.
--Because of the tried and true "his reads are too good" OR "his reads are so bad maybe people will think he was killed because they were good and throw suspicion on others."

Probably in that order, if we're being honest.

While we're at it, what are your reads anyway?

[faust]

It's helpful to compile the claims so far:

Slot 1         
2-shot Vigilante - faust
Innocent Child                                       
Investigation Immune 

Slot 2:
Restless Sheeper - pps
1-shot Commuter
1-shot Lightning Rod

Slot 3:
Alignment Cop
Roleblocker
Convert Serial Killer to Vanilla Townie

Slot 4
Role Cop
Watcher
Inventor

Slot 5
Doctor
JOAT (1-shot Ninja, 1-shot Strongman, 1-shot Roleblocker)
Convert Serial Killer to Survivor

Slot 6
Masonic Lover - ?/Eevee
Universal Backup
1-shot Bus Driver

Slot 7
Tracker
Godfather-er
1-shot Bulletproof

Slot 8
Strongman
Jailkeeper
Convert Serial Killer to Werewolf

Slot 9
1-shot Full Cop
Ninja
Hammer Hero - mcmc

Slot 10
Motion Detector
Hider - TWM
Gambler

Slot 11
Random unchosen PR - Galzria (Jailkeeper)

Slot 12
Random unchosen PR
Random unchosen PR

Slot 13
Random unchosen PR
Random unchosen PR
Random unchosen PR

I think that, in the light of this, I agree with mass-claiming. A lot of the remaining slots contain strong scum powers.

[LaLight]

I agree with mass claiming

[LaLight]

I guess we need Eevee's partner to make the order?

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

Wouldn't Eevee be the vt turned lover because the partner didn't die.

[2.71828.....]

I don't really like mass claiming right now. If we have counterclaims that is one thing, but not the full mass claim.

Partially because people suggesting it so far (LaLight and space) are on the "slightly suspicious I need to keep a closer eye on them" list.

We have 5 claimed (and alive) PRs so far. Even without counterclaims we habe some pretty good information to go off today.

[2.71828.....]

Also, quite an active time while I was sleeping

[2.71828.....]

It's helpful to compile the claims so far:

Slot 8
Strongman
Jailkeeper
Convert Serial Killer to Werewolf

Slot 11
Random unchosen PR - Galzria (Jailkeeper)

I think that, in the light of this, I agree with mass-claiming. A lot of the remaining slots contain strong scum powers.

Town doesn't need strongman or SK conversion. Likely that scum has strongman or we are dealing with werewolves

[faust]

Wouldn't Eevee be the vt turned lover because the partner didn't die.

Likely. It is not impossible that the Eevee was the original Mason and his partner was protected.

[faust]

It's helpful to compile the claims so far:

Slot 8
Strongman
Jailkeeper
Convert Serial Killer to Werewolf

Slot 11
Random unchosen PR - Galzria (Jailkeeper)

I think that, in the light of this, I agree with mass-claiming. A lot of the remaining slots contain strong scum powers.

Town doesn't need strongman or SK conversion. Likely that scum has strongman or we are dealing with werewolves

Which is why claiming is good.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

I'm fine with a massclaim.

[faust]

Some more explanation: Whoever got slot 8 would have to lie and say they're VT. Then we can go on from there to figure out who lies.

[2.71828.....]

I am inclined to believe Galzria right now, and with Faust shooting Cuzz last night that is only one scum kill last night. Based on N1 I think SK/werewolf is likely, and I think that makes ashersky very suspicious right now.

Yes, I know, JK blocking someone and a kill not going through does not mean that person is scum, but sometimes simplest explanations are the true ones

Vote: ashersky

Unless a doctor wants to claim to have protected him last night.

[faust]

Yes, I know, JK blocking someone and a kill not going through does not mean that person is scum, but sometimes simplest explanations are the true ones

Well, you're the expert...

[pingpongsam]

Can someone explain to me in 4 sentences or less why faust must resolve to town due to the reveals of today?

The only towny thing I've gotten was he did claim to shoot the guy he tunneled hard all game and now looks like he is willing to do something besides that.

[SpaceAnemone]

Partially because people suggesting it so far (LaLight and space) are on the "slightly suspicious I need to keep a closer eye on them" list.

Why not evaluate it on the merits of the plan, rather than because you're suspicious of players?

The claiming plan is tough to think through, which I assume is why so many people are willing to ignore it and see what other people think. TWM's response felt honest for pretty much admitting that. I like that faust supports it, because he's someone I'd expect to be fine with this depth of setupy thinking.

I'm pretty unsurprised that you object, because of how you were also against the same sort of plan in RMM37, and I assume it doesn't play well to your own feelings about your strengths in Mafia games. However, I urge you to try to think through. My feeling is that turning the heat up on anyone who's got anything to hide in terms of bidding order and slots chosen is going to lead not only to interesting setup mechanic slips, but good old-fashioned opportunities for those of you who're good at reads and tone and stuff too.

Also, quite an active time while I was sleeping

Hah.. try living in Europe!

[SpaceAnemone]

If Eevee's lover doesn't want to claim, would everyone else be happy with a claim order if it was agreed upon by both mcmc and TWM? And/or faust?

I don't think any of us has reason to trust everyone, but most people here probably have townie feelings about at least one of that set, yes?