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[LaLight]

Two things.

First:

AndrewisFTTW, the Vanilla Townie, has been lynched.

Neener-neener-neener.

Second. I chose to not hide last night.

But why?

[The_Wine_Merchant]

Second. I chose to not hide last night.

You are not being a good.

Why? Cause I didn't want mafia to bus drive me into themselves. No thank you.

[The_Wine_Merchant]

Are you both fucking kidding me. We spend all of yesterday with everyone dictating how I am to play my role with the wrong assumption on the rules. That rule gets changed and I am just supposed to maintain the status quo? Did I ruin your precious little mafia plan?

[LaLight]

Are you both fucking kidding me. We spend all of yesterday with everyone dictating how I am to play my role with the wrong assumption on the rules. That rule gets changed and I am just supposed to maintain the status quo? Did I ruin your precious little mafia plan?

Don't swear. I am sorry, i forgot about this bus-driving thing.

[Roadrunner7671]

Are you both fucking kidding me. We spend all of yesterday with everyone dictating how I am to play my role with the wrong assumption on the rules. That rule gets changed and I am just supposed to maintain the status quo? Did I ruin your precious little mafia plan?

Remember how Robz said 'this doesn't mean there's a bus driver?'

[iguanaiguana]

TWM's play makes sense to me and since he and MCMC are both here I would say he made the right choice. For all we know scum used 1 shot bus driver last night on MCMC and he would have died.

[The_Wine_Merchant]

Are you both fucking kidding me. We spend all of yesterday with everyone dictating how I am to play my role with the wrong assumption on the rules. That rule gets changed and I am just supposed to maintain the status quo? Did I ruin your precious little mafia plan?

Remember how Robz said 'this doesn't mean there's a bus driver?'

Oh my God you are right!?!? Duck. I am such a moron. I didn't realize he said that. I only read the part of his post that I wanted to read and just automatically assumed that there must be a bus driver. I mean. It isn't like bus driver is a role that mafia would gravitate toward getting. And it isn't like we had talked about this possibility before during Day 2. And it wasn't like I couldn't do the exact same thing tomorrow or Day 4. Shoot man. I was just totally wrong.

Is that what you want to hear? Cause duck that.

[iguanaiguana]

Oh actually since masons flipped doesn't that mean no chance of bus driver?

[The_Wine_Merchant]

Also. If there is a town bus driver. I think they should claim immediately. Scum can claim it as well, I guess.

[The_Wine_Merchant]

Oh actually since masons flipped doesn't that mean no chance of bus driver?

Slots 11, 12, 13. I made the same bad assumption Day 1.

[iguanaiguana]

Oh actually since masons flipped doesn't that mean no chance of bus driver?

Slots 11, 12, 13. I made the same bad assumption Day 1.

Right, so there's a small chance still of a bus driver... if a non town got one of those slots, and bus driver landed in it, and they didn't already use the shot.

[The_Wine_Merchant]

PS. I am not annoyed about the rule change at all. I think it was the right call. Timing of it wasn't optimal, but I was always of the attitude that mcmc's "plan" was never guaranteed to work anyways and thought those who thought the game was solved were completely off base.

[Galzria]

Two nights, two deaths each night.

Options:
No Vig - SK + Mafia kills both night

Vig hasn't shot - SK + Mafia kills both night

Vig has shot, some kill each night has been prevented.

I may have something I want to discuss on this topic.

[2.71828.....]

So, mcmc is confirmed if twm is confirmed, right? Also we have another ic now inless counterclaimed which would be also nice

yeah, so if we believe everything (which I don't think we have reason to doubt at this point) that mcmc and TWM have claimed, then Awaclus, TWM, mcmc, and whoever is the other half of the masonic lover is town.

I don't think the other half of the masonic lover needs to claim anytime soon though.  Definitely if they get run up for a lynch, but I don't see the hurry right now.

[iguanaiguana]

Actually I was just thinking since TWM claimed he didn't hide, isn't that exactly what he would do as scum? Claim hider then create a reason not to hide so that no one can check...

[Galzria]

Actually I was just thinking since TWM claimed he didn't hide, isn't that exactly what he would do as scum? Claim hider then create a reason not to hide so that no one can check...

Yes. But also as town with his explanation. Essentially we've learned nothing about TWM since yesterday so it was a wasted lynch/night in regards to TWM/mcmc

[The_Wine_Merchant]

Actually I was just thinking since TWM claimed he didn't hide, isn't that exactly what he would do as scum? Claim hider then create a reason not to hide so that no one can check...

Sure. But I couldn't count on the mod coming up with a rule change that would provide a good reason to not hide. Are you implying that I created the rule change?

[iguanaiguana]

No, I am not implying that.

[The_Wine_Merchant]

Here was my logic from why I didn't hide in case people are curious.

These were the options that I could see occurring.

1. I hide behind mcmc and flip dead in the morning. This creates an unknown. Did I die because I hid behind mcmc or because mcmc was bus driven and I was moved behind scum? No information is gained.

2. I hide behind mcmc and don't flip in the morning. This one is more likely that mcmc is town. There is still a slight question mark, but overall it leans towards confirming mcmc as town (he was already pretty townie to begin with). Information is gained.

3. I hide behind someone else and am dead in the morning. This creates an unknown. Did I die because I hid behind mcmc or was bus driven, or because I hid behidn someone else. I didn't breadcrumb anything about hiding behind someone else (because there wasn't a need at that point), so it would have resulted in zero information being gained.

4. I hide behind someone else and am alive in the morning. Same as above, except it was a complete toss up on whether this person would be town or mafia. Not worth the risk without giving town some way of knowing who I was hiding behind.

5. I don't hide. No information is gained, but I stay alive to get information on another day when the collective mind can help come up with better possible solutions.

Plus there are going to be multiple days in this game. Others just wanted me to hide behind mcmc for the rest of the game anyways {I am still not sure that is the best move anyways, but most people wanted me to do that}, so what is a day lost in the grand scheme of things?

[The_Wine_Merchant]

No, I am not implying that.

Then what are you implying? You used the word create. What did I create?

[The_Wine_Merchant]

vote: 2.7 also

[SpaceAnemone]

The advantage of the other masonic lover claiming would be that unless they're challenged, we really do have a confirmed IC, since it seems like only town-aligned players can be lovers, and since Eevee flipped blue, then there must be another one out there, right?

(I'm reasonably confident that TWM, mcmc and Awaclus are town, but they're still not technically IC).

[iguanaiguana]

I think before the rules clarification, you already had a plausible reason to claim you didn't hide behind MCMC because you talked a lot about how you want to use your ability to cop unknown players. Since the rules clarification you have a better reason, but that doesn't make you an IC from my perspective unfortunately.

I think I do have a townread on you for now but it's based on play, not your choice not to hide.

The fact you can explain it thoroughly is good, though.

[iguanaiguana]

Basically, you could have been scum before N2, and if you are scum, then the rules clarification just made your fakeclaim stronger and we didn't get the verification we could have gotten from like a watcher or anyone else who could check you.

[2.71828.....]

Basically, you could have been scum before N2, and if you are scum, then the rules clarification just made your fakeclaim stronger and we didn't get the verification we could have gotten from like a watcher or anyone else who could check you.

I think scum makes a bigger effort to undermine TWM's claim here more than town does.

That and the fact that iguana was on both mislynches.

vote: iguanaiguana