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[O]

my clearly town play has been absolutely vital to our likely win here, though.

Has it, though?

I'm pretty sure mcmc's lucky guesses at the drafting game were vital.

Actually, we could make him claim answers, then all claim answers to check if he was right.  There's our proof.

that was in fact the joke

[ashersky]

my clearly town play has been absolutely vital to our likely win here, though.

Has it, though?

I'm pretty sure mcmc's lucky guesses at the drafting game were vital.

Actually, we could make him claim answers, then all claim answers to check if he was right.  There's our proof.

How is this any better than just claiming draft order? And how does it prove anything?

Well, depends on his claim.  If we do the math and his answers don't match up, he could be lying. 

[Cuzz]

my clearly town play has been absolutely vital to our likely win here, though.

Has it, though?

I'm pretty sure mcmc's lucky guesses at the drafting game were vital.

Actually, we could make him claim answers, then all claim answers to check if he was right.  There's our proof.

How is this any better than just claiming draft order? And how does it prove anything?

Well, depends on his claim.  If we do the math and his answers don't match up, he could be lying.

Lying about what? About being HH?

[O]

my clearly town play has been absolutely vital to our likely win here, though.

Has it, though?

I'm pretty sure mcmc's lucky guesses at the drafting game were vital.

Actually, we could make him claim answers, then all claim answers to check if he was right.  There's our proof.

How is this any better than just claiming draft order? And how does it prove anything?

Well, depends on his claim.  If we do the math and his answers don't match up, he could be lying.

and scum have what incentive to tell the truth here at this point?


Just put ashersky out of his misery guys.. he's very clearly the best lynch. It's not even close. He's halfway admitted to being scum and has no desire to play.

[ashersky]

my clearly town play has been absolutely vital to our likely win here, though.

Has it, though?

I'm pretty sure mcmc's lucky guesses at the drafting game were vital.

Actually, we could make him claim answers, then all claim answers to check if he was right.  There's our proof.

How is this any better than just claiming draft order? And how does it prove anything?

Well, depends on his claim.  If we do the math and his answers don't match up, he could be lying.

Lying about what? About being HH?

Yes.

[Cuzz]

my clearly town play has been absolutely vital to our likely win here, though.

Has it, though?

I'm pretty sure mcmc's lucky guesses at the drafting game were vital.

Actually, we could make him claim answers, then all claim answers to check if he was right.  There's our proof.

How is this any better than just claiming draft order? And how does it prove anything?

Well, depends on his claim.  If we do the math and his answers don't match up, he could be lying.

Lying about what? About being HH?

Yes.

ash, this makes no sense in the slightest.

[ashersky]

my clearly town play has been absolutely vital to our likely win here, though.

Has it, though?

I'm pretty sure mcmc's lucky guesses at the drafting game were vital.

Actually, we could make him claim answers, then all claim answers to check if he was right.  There's our proof.

How is this any better than just claiming draft order? And how does it prove anything?

Well, depends on his claim.  If we do the math and his answers don't match up, he could be lying.

and scum have what incentive to tell the truth here at this point?


Just put ashersky out of his misery guys.. he's very clearly the best lynch. It's not even close. He's halfway admitted to being scum and has no desire to play.

Same incentive they always have.  Most games, scum don't lie at all -- unless it comes to claims, there's nothing really to lie about.

On the last part -- being disappointed we won by breaking the setup isn't alignment-indicative.  I actually think it's worse for town, given we haven't earned the win.  Scum has a built-in excuse for losing now.  I'd argue -- for their sake -- it shouldn't count against their stats, or at least include an *.  This is a non-offensive reinoe situation, bureaucratically speaking.

[O]

my clearly town play has been absolutely vital to our likely win here, though.

Has it, though?

I'm pretty sure mcmc's lucky guesses at the drafting game were vital.

Actually, we could make him claim answers, then all claim answers to check if he was right.  There's our proof.

How is this any better than just claiming draft order? And how does it prove anything?

Well, depends on his claim.  If we do the math and his answers don't match up, he could be lying.

and scum have what incentive to tell the truth here at this point?


Just put ashersky out of his misery guys.. he's very clearly the best lynch. It's not even close. He's halfway admitted to being scum and has no desire to play.

Same incentive they always have.  Most games, scum don't lie at all -- unless it comes to claims, there's nothing really to lie about.

On the last part -- being disappointed we won by breaking the setup isn't alignment-indicative.  I actually think it's worse for town, given we haven't earned the win.  Scum has a built-in excuse for losing now.  I'd argue -- for their sake -- it shouldn't count against their stats, or at least include an *.  This is a non-offensive reinoe situation, bureaucratically speaking.

Are we assuming that TWM is a high draft role and that scum couldn't have just grabbed that slot? The draft is part of the game here, and it's quite apparent if the truth was told the draft was played poorly, balance issues aside.

[ashersky]

my clearly town play has been absolutely vital to our likely win here, though.

Has it, though?

I'm pretty sure mcmc's lucky guesses at the drafting game were vital.

Actually, we could make him claim answers, then all claim answers to check if he was right.  There's our proof.

How is this any better than just claiming draft order? And how does it prove anything?

Well, depends on his claim.  If we do the math and his answers don't match up, he could be lying.

Lying about what? About being HH?

Yes.

ash, this makes no sense in the slightest.

Neither does wasting time doing anything other than whack-a-voting, but folks seem to want to waste their time coming up with conspiracies and reads.

Occam's Razor points to a won game for us. If people want to ignore that, might as well do some claiming for folks to analyze.

[O]

I'm also fine with scum giving up and moving on to the next game, by the way.  We could all vote on that, too.

I just don't see town ever suggesting to mafia that they FF. It'd be borderline rude as a town player. It's not just that you're unhappy with the setup, I didn't vote for you until someone quoted me this comment in particular.

[ashersky]

my clearly town play has been absolutely vital to our likely win here, though.

Has it, though?

I'm pretty sure mcmc's lucky guesses at the drafting game were vital.

Actually, we could make him claim answers, then all claim answers to check if he was right.  There's our proof.

How is this any better than just claiming draft order? And how does it prove anything?

Well, depends on his claim.  If we do the math and his answers don't match up, he could be lying.

and scum have what incentive to tell the truth here at this point?


Just put ashersky out of his misery guys.. he's very clearly the best lynch. It's not even close. He's halfway admitted to being scum and has no desire to play.

Same incentive they always have.  Most games, scum don't lie at all -- unless it comes to claims, there's nothing really to lie about.

On the last part -- being disappointed we won by breaking the setup isn't alignment-indicative.  I actually think it's worse for town, given we haven't earned the win.  Scum has a built-in excuse for losing now.  I'd argue -- for their sake -- it shouldn't count against their stats, or at least include an *.  This is a non-offensive reinoe situation, bureaucratically speaking.

Are we assuming that TWM is a high draft role and that scum couldn't have just grabbed that slot? The draft is part of the game here, and it's quite apparent if the truth was told the draft was played poorly, balance issues aside.

I think the only scum conspiracy possibly here is actually mcmc lying while knowing HH isn't in the game.  Given The complexities of the math and knowing mcmc is like me, he could get tripped up with math claiming.

All that said, I don't think he's lying and this is all a waste of time.

[ashersky]

I'm also fine with scum giving up and moving on to the next game, by the way.  We could all vote on that, too.

I just don't see town ever suggesting to mafia that they FF. It'd be borderline rude as a town player. It's not just that you're unhappy with the setup, I didn't vote for you until someone quoted me this comment in particular.

Rude?  I think it's the opposite -- I'm letting them know I won't be upset by a forfeit.  I think some players, if they are Town, might resent losing the opportunity to crush some souls, so to speak.  And I think some players would assume I'm one of those players.

[Cuzz]

vote: ashersky

[iguanaiguana]

I actually really think iguana is scum in case that still matters at all.

What's the case? And why do you imply it doesn't matter?

[ashersky]

I actually really think iguana is scum in case that still matters at all.

What's the case? And why do you imply it doesn't matter?

He's simultaneously agreeing with me that the game is done and not worth trying on while scumreading me for the same attitude.

[ashersky]

New plan!

Everyone list all other players in proposed lynch order.  Poetic, since it sort of mimics the draft order part of the game.

[Cuzz]

I actually really think iguana is scum in case that still matters at all.

What's the case? And why do you imply it doesn't matter?

He's simultaneously agreeing with me that the game is done and not worth trying on while scumreading me for the same attitude.

I contain multitudes.

[iguanaiguana]

I know Ash is being such a drama queen right now that it's hard to think about anyone else but I was actually asking Cuzz why he scumreads me.

[Cuzz]

New plan!

Everyone list all other players in proposed lynch order.  Poetic, since it sort of mimics the draft order part of the game.

I'll bite:

ashersky
AndrewisFTTW
Jimmmmm
iguanaiguana
SpaceAnemone
Eevee
faust
JaketheBaseballGod22
sudgy
RoadRunner
LaLight
Dylan32
Galzria
2.71828.....
pingpongsam
O
mcmcsalot
Awaclus
The_Wine_Merchant

[Cuzz]

I know Ash is being such a drama queen right now that it's hard to think about anyone else but I was actually asking Cuzz why he scumreads me.

Mostly I got a pretty scummy vibe from the vote on Galz, and I think there was some stuff from D1 that I can't quite remember. Plus the level of activity seems to be in the scum sweet spot.

[faust]

There is a slight chance that we have some kind of lie here, if only because I really don't see Robz just letting his brother break the setup.

From the order of operations as posted, I assume that Hiding cannot be redirected through Lightning Rod? Even though I don't think that makes sense.

[faust]

It would make me happy if we could lynch Cuzz today.

[pingpongsam]

Never have I ever been town AND been high on everyone's town reads list. This must be my mafia nadir.

[Galzria]

New plan!

Everyone list all other players in proposed lynch order.  Poetic, since it sort of mimics the draft order part of the game.

Sure, why not?:

Dylan
Eevee
LaLight
Sudgy
**My top 4 scum reads right now**
Andrew
Jimmm
**mcmc's choice and someone who's posted like, nothing**
Ashersky
RoadRunner
Jake
Space
iguana
e
**middle of the pack, don't care really**
O
Cuzz
PPS
**Pretty strong town reads**
faust
Awaclus
TWM
mcmc
**Very likely to be town (or town has *@$#ed themselves already), and highest town read**

[Cuzz]

From the order of operations as posted, I assume that Hiding cannot be redirected through Lightning Rod? Even though I don't think that makes sense.

That is my understanding--maybe because lightning rod is considered to be "targeting" anyone who performs a night action, and hider causes all actions targeted at the hider to fail.