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[Roadrunner7671]

Roadrunner I'm curious about your case on lalight?

A lot on my case is built around the assumption that LaLight got the first bid.

Why do you think that makes him scum?

There's no IC.

[mcmcsalot]

Oh the inventor can only private qt with themselves O read before you suggest things and confuse people

I didn't suggest inventor you jerk

That was dylan my greatest apologies

[LaLight]

@mcmc

My case on Space is still their very suspicious vote for J Reggie without much explanations and this:

I want to vote: Space for that JR vote and for this post:

Cuzz is the one who looks the most partnerish, but you know, the evidence is thin.

I'm not sure Calamitas would do too much forced interaction, since his meta is to have even more of a hard time of D1 than I do. I specifically asked him a question to get him to say something, and because a conversation about claiming and evidence is something I can do much better than a conversation about reads.

I didn't pick up anything alignment-indicative from the way he responded. If his death came from a third-faction shot hoping to hit scum, I think it's a pretty lucky kill. Why wouldn't they go after someone who's more likely to be a PR?

I can perfectly see it coming from Calamitas' partner

They have not said much from there and the attention clearly got distracted as the time went. I am still pretty comfortable with my vote.

@Roadrunner

I had an impression that your vote on me is based on some "numbers don't lie" case, which is wrong for 3 reasons:

1. I got the highest number because I am an active poster
2. You still haven't explained why you preferred to miss some people in this count
3. You still haven't explained what this numbers are about as O requested of you.

Now you are saying that is based on me getting the highest bid. Not telling if this is true or not, but you should really keep up with your own words

PPE: 3

[LaLight]

Roadrunner I'm curious about your case on lalight?

A lot on my case is built around the assumption that LaLight got the first bid.

Why do you think that makes him scum?

There's no IC.

Answer frankly, please. Would you take the IC instead of 2-shot vig?

[mcmcsalot]

Roadrunner I'm curious about your case on lalight?

A lot on my case is built around the assumption that LaLight got the first bid.

Why do you think that makes him scum?

There's no IC.

Okay now that I'm not giving away my role I can discuss this. An innocent child is not in my opinion a fantastic role. It can easily be killed and it's still just a townie. Similar to the situation I'm in now, I don't magically know who is and isn't scum, I'm going to try my hardest and the fact that there's lots else that goes into my role is what makes it good. In my personal opinion, there are quite a few roles better than IC.

So your voting on a hunch that lalight got the number one draft slot and that if lalight was town he would have chosen IC. That such a stretch to be "a lot of your case"

[Roadrunner7671]

1. I got the highest number because I am an active poster
2. You still haven't explained why you preferred to miss some people in this count
3. You still haven't explained what this numbers are about as O requested of you.

1. If you would've looked at my 'work,' you got no negative numbers at all. So in my eyes, you haven't done a single towny thing.
2. They didn't do anything towny or scummy. I looked at posts, if nothing stuck out for them then I'm not gonna make stuff up.
3. I missed that.

[Roadrunner7671]

So your voting on a hunch that lalight got the number one draft slot and that if lalight was town he would have chosen IC. That such a stretch to be "a lot of your case"

At this point, it's more like 'LaLight got the first spot and didn't go for hammer hero. If you're town you're gonna go for hammer hero. If you're scum, you probably go for the vig. So I think I misspoke.

[Roadrunner7671]

Still couldn't find what O said.

[Cuzz]

So your voting on a hunch that lalight got the number one draft slot and that if lalight was town he would have chosen IC. That such a stretch to be "a lot of your case"

At this point, it's more like 'LaLight got the first spot and didn't go for hammer hero. If you're town you're gonna go for hammer hero. If you're scum, you probably go for the vig. So I think I misspoke.

wait, how do we know lalight got the first spot?

[mcmcsalot]

mcmc are there any players that you would want to "veto" becoming the lynch? Is that something that we would want to do. I tried being IC once and it failed miserably as town collectively ignored everything I suggested and lynched way before I was ready to do so and as a result I nearly screwed town over by having a bad night action.

So I am not the expert on how to be a good IC. But my impulse is to narrow the lynch pool down a bit (not a hard set rule, if something comes up we can consider others), but I could see that having a negative effect on how interactions and such are created later.

Baisically our opinions can be trusted and that about it. Because of my need to get the hammer to keep this ball rolling we will need to be a little more kind about working with town. The thing we don't want to do is outright "veto" players from the lynch pool, because all that does is limit the players scum has to try to angle the lynch toward. We can however say I wouldn't lynch X because of Y and Z. Essentially keep doing what you've been doing and now people know your intentions are pure. It's nice to do some more analytical posts because that is something that allows other players to agree or disagree and provide reasons for their opinion. I would avoid going super hard at one person because like I said scum know if that persons town or not and can play around your reads. It's a rough job, it's why ic's aren't great. We become the most helpful later when there aren't many people left and we're still town and around.

[Roadrunner7671]

So your voting on a hunch that lalight got the number one draft slot and that if lalight was town he would have chosen IC. That such a stretch to be "a lot of your case"

At this point, it's more like 'LaLight got the first spot and didn't go for hammer hero. If you're town you're gonna go for hammer hero. If you're scum, you probably go for the vig. So I think I misspoke.

wait, how do we know lalight got the first spot?

Cause he read all the games and correctly guessed the funnest one for 100 points.
PPE

[LaLight]

Reads

A lot of the time I slap reads together, but instead I’m gonna give points. You get 1 to 10 points based on scummy action, and -1 to -10 points based on towny action. Lurking counts as nothing, so that’s cool. I’ll show my work too.

Except, lurking counts as everything the way you are making these reads. The more you post, the more opportunity you have to do both townie or scummy things. LaLight only has a score that high because he is very active (and scummy according to you).

Andrew has done only scummy things.... But it was just one thing so he is 6th from the bottom.

I do like this technique of yours, now just go back and create a hyperlink to the post for each score and it would be perfect

@Roadrunner

Sorry, that was E, not O. all those vowels

[Eevee]

Just checking in, no new reads apart from the obvious ones. Mcmc's plan/claim seem fantastic for us.

Mcmc played the virgin role very similar to this, I had a hunch he he might be some sort of an unusual pr.

[mcmcsalot]

So your voting on a hunch that lalight got the number one draft slot and that if lalight was town he would have chosen IC. That such a stretch to be "a lot of your case"

At this point, it's more like 'LaLight got the first spot and didn't go for hammer hero. If you're town you're gonna go for hammer hero. If you're scum, you probably go for the vig. So I think I misspoke.

wait, how do we know lalight got the first spot?

We don't roadrunner thinks because lalight read all the games he's most likely to know the most popular game which robz said at least one player got right and that was worth basically first bid.

[Cuzz]

So your voting on a hunch that lalight got the number one draft slot and that if lalight was town he would have chosen IC. That such a stretch to be "a lot of your case"

At this point, it's more like 'LaLight got the first spot and didn't go for hammer hero. If you're town you're gonna go for hammer hero. If you're scum, you probably go for the vig. So I think I misspoke.

wait, how do we know lalight got the first spot?

We don't roadrunner thinks because lalight read all the games he's most likely to know the most popular game which robz said at least one player got right and that was worth basically first bid.

Yeah we should probably try to avoid rounding hunches up to certitudes.

[LaLight]

So your voting on a hunch that lalight got the number one draft slot and that if lalight was town he would have chosen IC. That such a stretch to be "a lot of your case"

At this point, it's more like 'LaLight got the first spot and didn't go for hammer hero. If you're town you're gonna go for hammer hero. If you're scum, you probably go for the vig. So I think I misspoke.

wait, how do we know lalight got the first spot?

Cause he read all the games and correctly guessed the funnest one for 100 points.
PPE

I dont even know which is more correct: that this is a very convenient thing to build a case on or that this case is very weak.

vote: Roadrunner7671

[LaLight]

vote is more for trying to fish info out of me with a weak case

[Roadrunner7671]

You're awfully defensive...if the case is so bad, why are you hung up on it?

[Roadrunner7671]

Guys, therr's a problem with mcmcsalot/TWM's plan: If we gey scum to L-1, they'll self hammer. Even if we coordinate votes, it's still possible that they'd self hammer. So I thimk we need to get them to L-2 then mcmcsalot has to come online at random, obscure timesand hope people are therr.

[Robz888]

Vote Count 2.4

Cuzz (2): faust, AndrewisFTTW
mcmcsalot (1):  Jimmmmm
sudgy (1): The_Wine_Merchant
O (1): Awaclus
AndrewisFTTW (3): Cuzz, pingpongsam, 2.71828....
SpaceAnemone (2): Eevee, Dylan32
Dylan23 (1): Galzria
Galzria (1): iguanaiguana
LaLight (1): RoadRunner7671
faust (1): O
RoadRunner7671 (1): LaLight

Not Voting (5): SpaceAnemone, mcmcsalot, ashersky, JaketheBaseballGod22, sudgy

With 20 alive it takes just 10 to lynch. Day 2 ends on Sunday, May 28th, at 11:00 AM Forum Time.

[LaLight]

You're awfully defensive...if the case is so bad, why are you hung up on it?

well, mostly because I feel like you're trying to fish info about my bid/role and I am trying to close the topic so I wouldn't give it by accident

[The_Wine_Merchant]

Guys, therr's a problem with mcmcsalot/TWM's plan: If we gey scum to L-1, they'll self hammer. Even if we coordinate votes, it's still possible that they'd self hammer. So I thimk we need to get them to L-2 then mcmcsalot has to come online at random, obscure timesand hope people are therr.

Coordination. Hence why we need to do it before I leave.

Also Unvote

[mcmcsalot]

Guys, therr's a problem with mcmcsalot/TWM's plan: If we gey scum to L-1, they'll self hammer. Even if we coordinate votes, it's still possible that they'd self hammer. So I thimk we need to get them to L-2 then mcmcsalot has to come online at random, obscure timesand hope people are therr.

Yes unfortunatly twm and I have to coordinate our votes in exact succession, once we have a player to l-2 we will coordinate a joint hammer. I will think about the exact best way to do this over the next day or so.

[The_Wine_Merchant]

And only scum will self hammer. That in and of itself is a win. If I were scum and had the opportunit I would not hammer just to WIfOM and try to get out of the lynch.

[iguanaiguana]

Just caught the, including the plan. Reminds me of a Dominion combo. Also think it is awesome for us that two very active players have these roles so that they can execute the plan well.

I feel less pressure to convince others of my read. Game looks a lot closer to a win now.