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[Dylan32]

its true, he's caught me

Scummy jokes are scummy

[Dylan32]

To be fair, I do well understand what it feels like to be the wrongful subject of Awaclus's tunneling, and if you are town, it sucks. but jokes like this aren't the way to get sympathy or win people to your side.

[AndrewisFTTW]

I think Dylan is scum. Just putting it out there.

[O]

My towncred can probably handle the hit

[mcmcsalot]

I think Dylan is scum. Just putting it out there.

I was just going to say I don't feel like dylan has ever posted reads of any kind so far. Want to do a nice reads list or at least give us your current thought on some players you have reads on?

[The_Wine_Merchant]

mcmc. For your plan do you propose having me hide behind you every night from here on out? I can see the logic behind that, but it isn't really something that sounds well, fun.

I am open to suggestions, but my initial idea was to hide behind you tonight and then flip a coin and either hide behind you or another player that was predetermined during the day to try and either make more confirmed town players or identify scum if I die hiding behind them. You could do something similar with flipping a coin for whether to be unkillable or perform a kill. There is still a risk, but it is mitigated by WIFOM and would allow for the utility of our full roles.

And I guess this isn't stuff that we need to decide today, assuming you are town, we can flesh this out on Day 3.

[The_Wine_Merchant]

I think TWM should be the L-1 vote for any wagon, and coordinate with MCMC so they vote in quick succession (coordinate in thread, not advocating cheating).

Funny that is what we did yesterday, aside from the coordinating thing.

[The_Wine_Merchant]

I think TWM should be the L-1 vote for any wagon, and coordinate with MCMC so they vote in quick succession (coordinate in thread, not advocating cheating).

Scum could 1. sacrifice themselves to break up the plan and get PR kills or 2. Hopefully be the one we're wagoning regardless, and we need to try and avoid the self hammer.

This is why hammer hero is a slightly MEH role to include, for future reference @Robz, forces a bit too much metagaming like this.

So if we have an inventor, give one of mcmc or twm the neighbor item so they can have a permanent QT to coordinate in

I can't be given items. Any action that targets me will fail if I am hiding.

[The_Wine_Merchant]

I was thinking about doing a whole bunch of work to reassess my TWM read but now I don't have to!  Yay!

Realized that my wagon wasn't going to gain any traction since it was completely bogus?

[Roadrunner7671]

Just to reiterate an alignment cop in twm would confirm that he is town thus also confirming he is hider and I am town hammer hero.
A rolecop on twm would at least confirm twm and I are hider/hammer hero.
A tracker/watcher/motion detector would at least confirm twm is targeting me.

Not saying any of these things need to happen, I was just going through the roles and figuring everything out for absolute confirmation.

Any actions targeting TWM will fail.

[Roadrunner7671]

Roadrunner I'm curious about your case on lalight?

A lot on my case is built around the assumption that LaLight got the first bid.

[The_Wine_Merchant]

As far as I can tell currently I should be able to be around entirely through deadline. Twm how about you?

I have a posted VLA. I will be unable to post from Friday around noon through the deadline. So if we want this to happen, we should try and have a lynch before then.

I would feel comfortable giving my vote to Awaclus to act as the penultimate vote. However, that would require him to play-ball, and he might not want to and I am worried that I would not be able to get my night action in on time as I will have no internet until I get back late on Monday (potentially past the night action submission deadline depending on when the lynch occurs).

So mostly I think we should try and lynch by Thursday night, forum time.

[The_Wine_Merchant]

its true, he's caught me

Scummy jokes are scummy

Except. They aren't. Remember who 2.7 was talking about in that post? Oh, yeah. It was me making a scummy joke, but wasn't scum.

[Roadrunner7671]

As far as I can tell currently I should be able to be around entirely through deadline. Twm how about you?

I have a posted VLA. I will be unable to post from Friday around noon through the deadline. So if we want this to happen, we should try and have a lynch before then.

I would feel comfortable giving my vote to Awaclus to act as the penultimate vote. However, that would require him to play-ball, and he might not want to and I am worried that I would not be able to get my night action in on time as I will have no internet until I get back late on Monday (potentially past the night action submission deadline depending on when the lynch occurs).

So mostly I think we should try and lynch by Thursday night, forum time.

I'm sure that Robz will let you submit your action during the day if you have a posted VLA.

[mcmcsalot]

mcmc. For your plan do you propose having me hide behind you every night from here on out? I can see the logic behind that, but it isn't really something that sounds well, fun.

I am open to suggestions, but my initial idea was to hide behind you tonight and then flip a coin and either hide behind you or another player that was predetermined during the day to try and either make more confirmed town players or identify scum if I die hiding behind them. You could do something similar with flipping a coin for whether to be unkillable or perform a kill. There is still a risk, but it is mitigated by WIFOM and would allow for the utility of our full roles.

And I guess this isn't stuff that we need to decide today, assuming you are town, we can flesh this out on Day 3.

I have lots of thoughts on this. Obviously for tonight you must hide behind me. Since we may have a private qt provided by the inventor tomorrow I would prefer to discuss this there. If we don't have a private qt I will let you know all my thoughts on this at day three start.

[The_Wine_Merchant]

mcmc are there any players that you would want to "veto" becoming the lynch? Is that something that we would want to do. I tried being IC once and it failed miserably as town collectively ignored everything I suggested and lynched way before I was ready to do so and as a result I nearly screwed town over by having a bad night action.

So I am not the expert on how to be a good IC. But my impulse is to narrow the lynch pool down a bit (not a hard set rule, if something comes up we can consider others), but I could see that having a negative effect on how interactions and such are created later.

[Roadrunner7671]

I tried being IC once and it failed miserably

We won though!

[mcmcsalot]

Oh the inventor can only private qt with themselves O read before you suggest things and confuse people

[The_Wine_Merchant]

As far as I can tell currently I should be able to be around entirely through deadline. Twm how about you?

I have a posted VLA. I will be unable to post from Friday around noon through the deadline. So if we want this to happen, we should try and have a lynch before then.

I would feel comfortable giving my vote to Awaclus to act as the penultimate vote. However, that would require him to play-ball, and he might not want to and I am worried that I would not be able to get my night action in on time as I will have no internet until I get back late on Monday (potentially past the night action submission deadline depending on when the lynch occurs).

So mostly I think we should try and lynch by Thursday night, forum time.

I'm sure that Robz will let you submit your action during the day if you have a posted VLA.

I am sure he would too. I mean, that my action depends on mcmc being the last vote. If the hammer is taken from him I don't want to be committed to hiding behind him but not knowing that he wasnt' the hammer. That is an ideal situation for scum to take a hit be the hammerer and kill off mcmc and me in one fell stroke.

If mcmc isn't the hammerer I am not going to hide behind him. I don't know who I'll hide behind. But I want to be around to make that decision.

[O]

Oh the inventor can only private qt with themselves O read before you suggest things and confuse people

I didn't suggest inventor you jerk

[Roadrunner7671]

If someone steals the hammer they're confirmed scum.

[The_Wine_Merchant]

If someone steals the hammer they're confirmed scum.

Sure. But that might be worth the next day lynch to get both me and mcmc killed during the night if I am not around to change my night action.

So basically. Let's lynch earlier rather than later.

[mcmcsalot]

So as far as your hiding goes. The only benefit hiding behind other people does is pseudo "cop" them. But to really have that be known you have to die(commuting makes town hides slightly less concrete) and if you do die we need to know exactly who you hid behind so you have to make it obvious in thread. Since scum knows you are the hider they will be looking for who you are hiding behind if it's not me. So you should absolutely hide behind me every single night. Sorry it's boring but your invincible.

I on the other hand will be wifoming scum and your hiding behind me only sweetens the risk for scum to shoot at me.

[mcmcsalot]

Just to reiterate an alignment cop in twm would confirm that he is town thus also confirming he is hider and I am town hammer hero.
A rolecop on twm would at least confirm twm and I are hider/hammer hero.
A tracker/watcher/motion detector would at least confirm twm is targeting me.

Not saying any of these things need to happen, I was just going through the roles and figuring everything out for absolute confirmation.

Any actions targeting TWM will fail.

Oh right shoot, trust it is. Twm does have a very believable claim.

[mcmcsalot]

Roadrunner I'm curious about your case on lalight?

A lot on my case is built around the assumption that LaLight got the first bid.

Why do you think that makes him scum?