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[mcmcsalot]

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Vote Count 1.12

mcmcsalot (1): RoadRunner7671
J Reggie (10): 2.7128...., Dylan32, gkrieg13, LaLight, JaketheBaseballGod22, sudgy, iguanaiguana, SpaceAnemone, The_Wine_Merchant, mcmcsalot
The_Wine_Merchant (1): ashersky
O (1): Awaclus
gkrieg13 (1): AndrewisFTTW
RoadRunner7671 (1): Cuzz
LaLight (2): Galzria, pingpongsam
Galzria (2): J Reggie, faust
Awaclus (2): O, Eevee

Not Voting (2): Calamitas, Jimmmmm

With 23 alive it took just 10 to lynch.

[mcmcsalot]

One more thing needs clarification.

If the Hider hides behind a player that is protected from a nightkill, and that player is targeted by a nightkill, will the Hider die?

I don't agree with Robz' understanding of night action resolution I think, but that's not really important.

Again I've clarified with him already but he can confirm. Unless I die the hider doesn't die. No matter what I am targeted with. Since no matter what I am targeted with I cannot die, the hider cannot die.

[Robz888]

One more thing needs clarification.

If the Hider hides behind a player that is protected from a nightkill, and that player is targeted by a nightkill, will the Hider die?

I don't agree with Robz' understanding of night action resolution I think, but that's not really important.

The Hider can only die if the player he hid behind dies, or is aligned with a different faction.

[O]

I'm not seeing how anything is locked up either way....


If they're scum, alignment cops can still exist?

If they're town, and we keep missing scum, Scum can still eventually control the town to lynch?

[faust]

Admittedly I kinda want this plan to not work because I don't want this game to be broken.

[faust]

Admittedly I kinda want this plan to not work because I don't want this game to be broken.

And I am strangely confused by how Robz rules this because there are definitely loopholes he could have taken to prevent this.

[O]

vote: Faust

[faust]

vote: Faust

[O]

You sound a bit too upset at the combo 

[faust]

You sound a bit too upset at the combo 

And of course I would throw out all my frustration in the main thread instead of my QT because I'm such a hilariously awful mafia player!

[faust]

I mean I could see this vote coming from a mile away, but I didn't think someone like O would be the one to do it.

[O]

You sound a bit too upset at the combo 

And of course I would throw out all my frustration in the main thread instead of my QT because I'm such a hilariously awful mafia player!

I prefer to think of it as "I never suspected O's superior scumhunting skills would latch onto it, so I thought it was safe to say".

I mean I could see this vote coming from a mile away, but I didn't think someone like O would be the one to do it.

I don't see where this comes from, I've been throwing my vote around pretty liberally I thought.

[Cuzz]

I am town and kind of agree with faust, so I don't think he's scum for saying it. I think these things make the game a little less fun, but it's definitely not solved or locked up yet.

[O]

I am town and kind of agree with faust, so I don't think he's scum for saying it. I think these things make the game a little less fun, but it's definitely not solved or locked up yet.

I can agree with Faust that Hammer-Hero is possibly a poorly designed role and still think he's lashing out in frustration

[faust]

You sound a bit too upset at the combo 

And of course I would throw out all my frustration in the main thread instead of my QT because I'm such a hilariously awful mafia player!

I prefer to think of it as "I never suspected O's superior scumhunting skills would latch onto it, so I thought it was safe to say".

I mean I could see this vote coming from a mile away, but I didn't think someone like O would be the one to do it.

I don't see where this comes from, I've been throwing my vote around pretty liberally I thought.

Well yes but I kinda assumed you would do it with more sense.

[Galzria]

I'm not seeing how anything is locked up either way....


If they're scum, alignment cops can still exist?

If they're town, and we keep missing scum, Scum can still eventually control the town to lynch?

Not locked. Semi Locked.

IF there's a 15-5 ratio for town/scum right now, the average game could dwindle to 3-1 (MyLo). This can't. With this setup that's a loss for scum. They need a significantly better ratio. And that means their losses between now and then need to be well above average.

Extrapolated out to where we're at now, if it's a 15-5 split, they would need 10 dead town in a row to get to a point where they can stop Mcmc/TWM.

It's not impossible, and I don't expect them to give up - but it's very unlikely scum can win at this point.

I'm not suggesting we just start systematically lynching, but it does put things heavily, heavily in our favor - and that's a little broken to me. Hence, "semi-solved".

[2.71828.....]

I am town and kind of agree with faust, so I don't think he's scum for saying it. I think these things make the game a little less fun, but it's definitely not solved or locked up yet.

I can agree with Faust that Hammer-Hero is possibly a poorly designed role and still think he's lashing out in frustration

I wouldn't call it lagging out in frustration if Faust is in fact scum. Rather, I think it would be a very calculated play working the "fun" factor. I definitely don't think it is an alignment tell.

That being said, IC creation won't win the game, finding scum will. I wish we could have waited at least one more day to create our ICs, but I agree with mcmc that due to the situation surrounding the D1 hammer a claim was a good call.

[faust]

It is kinda unfortunate that this only clears players I already thought were town anyway. Though it shows off my superior scumhunting skills, so that's nice.

It also means that all major D1 wagons were on town. That makes wagon analysis significantly less useful, and I think it means we should focus on people that were avoiding commitment.

[O]

It is kinda unfortunate that this only clears players I already thought were town anyway. Though it shows off my superior scumhunting skills, so that's nice.

It also means that all major D1 wagons were on town. That makes wagon analysis significantly less useful, and I think it means we should focus on people that were avoiding commitment.

ooh ooh me. I was avoiding commitment.

also superior d1 scumhunting skills is still a scumtell.

[2.71828.....]

It is kinda unfortunate that this only clears players I already thought were town anyway. Though it shows off my superior scumhunting skills, so that's nice.

It also means that all major D1 wagons were on town. That makes wagon analysis significantly less useful, and I think it means we should focus on people that were avoiding commitment.

Someone like, let's say, Andrew? Seems like a good idea to me

[Cuzz]

So who do we want to lynch now? I do have a suspicion that most of the more active players in this game are town.

Andrew and Jimmmmm are my top choices at the moment. Eevee, sudgy and ash are possibilities also. Could also be talked into iguana and Jake.

[O]

So who do we want to lynch now? I do have a suspicion that most of the more active players in this game are town.

Andrew and Jimmmmm are my top choices at the moment. Eevee, sudgy and ash are possibilities also. Could also be talked into iguana and Jake.

I'll vote for any of Cuzz's options plus Lalight, Faust, Space and Galzria.

Particularly for Galzria I think if Eevee's scum Galzria is likely scum.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

I like Galzria for scum here

[faust]

Andrew and Jimmmmm are my top choices at the moment. Eevee, sudgy and ash are possibilities also. Could also be talked into iguana and Jake.

What is your read on Jimmmmm based on?

[sudgy]

I just barely caught up and have to go again, but wow!  That's pretty good!  I'll try to do more later today, if possible.  I was thinking about doing a whole bunch of work to reassess my TWM read but now I don't have to!  Yay!