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[Dylan32]

I'll play.

Hard evidence is just phrase that Awaclus likes to hide behind.

I am the hider and I hid behind Awaclus last night, and lived. PS. Robz approved the above breadcrumb. I will hide behind mcmc so long as he gets the hammer and will take death proof.

If I survive the night this will confirm mcmc, myself and Awaclus as town, correct? Although I think there are some possibilities of Awaclus still being scum, such as him being a scum commuter? I am willing to die if it shows mcmc is scum.

That's a very bad claim

scum ^

[LaLight]

awaclus is the confirmed death tonight, and if he's a pr you messed it up a little

[The_Wine_Merchant]

I'll play.

Hard evidence is just phrase that Awaclus likes to hide behind.

I am the hider and I hid behind Awaclus last night, and lived. PS. Robz approved the above breadcrumb. I will hide behind mcmc so long as he gets the hammer and will take death proof.

If I survive the night this will confirm mcmc, myself and Awaclus as town, correct? Although I think there are some possibilities of Awaclus still being scum, such as him being a scum commuter? I am willing to die if it shows mcmc is scum.

That's a very bad claim

Why? The plan works. Robz resolved the above concerns.

[mcmcsalot]

Mcmcsalot did you have first pick overall?

Don't need to claim this yet I think.

Yea i don't think this is necessary now.

[LaLight]

Next time i will make one post instead of two, i thought it was obvious why it is a bad claim

[mcmcsalot]

awaclus is the confirmed death tonight, and if he's a pr you messed it up a little

I guess yea, claiming you hid behind awaclus wasn't necessary. But he did already say that he had reason to believe awaclus was town so scum could probably figure it out.

[Roadrunner7671]

Mcmcsalot did you have first pick overall?

Don't need to claim this yet I think.

It's for my bet

[LaLight]

awaclus is the confirmed death tonight, and if he's a pr you messed it up a little

I guess yea, claiming you hid behind awaclus wasn't necessary. But he did already say that he had reason to believe awaclus was town so scum could probably figure it out.

And that's why he shouldn't have claimed on the first place because there was literally no reason teo, but well

[The_Wine_Merchant]

awaclus is the confirmed death tonight, and if he's a pr you messed it up a little

I guess yea, claiming you hid behind awaclus wasn't necessary. But he did already say that he had reason to believe awaclus was town so scum could probably figure it out.

Meh. Awaclus might be the NK. He might not be. WIFOM. I don't want to talk too much about it due to likely two scum teams. And hey, there are other roles out there. Like he would make a good doctor choice if we have one, maybe we do, maybe we don't.

[O]

awaclus is the confirmed death tonight, and if he's a pr you messed it up a little

How is Awaclus a confirmed death? Does your scumteam know we lack a doctor/jailkeeper or that you have a strongman?

This is a risk inherent to IDing others as town regardless. But its still beneficial to identify others as town, often.

[The_Wine_Merchant]

awaclus is the confirmed death tonight, and if he's a pr you messed it up a little

How is Awaclus a confirmed death? Does your scumteam know we lack a doctor/jailkeeper or that you have a strongman?

This is a risk inherent to IDing others as town regardless. But its still beneficial to identify others as town, often.

Exactly. If he is a PR he is a PR. If he isn't, great, a VT was killed instead. Hooray! WIFOM hurts mafia here more than the info helps them I think.

[mcmcsalot]

awaclus is the confirmed death tonight, and if he's a pr you messed it up a little

Also doctors and stuff, and now maybe both sk/werewolf and mafia both shoot awac. I don't think this is that bad.

Ppe: O gets it!

[The_Wine_Merchant]

And I did think about not claiming and just hiding behind mcmcsalot. But I worried that others might not automatically assume that I hid behind mcmc in the possibility that I died. This is a pretty clear cut thing that we can gain good solid info on and I didn't want any of that up in the air or possibly being confused.

[mcmcsalot]

And I did think about not claiming and just hiding behind mcmcsalot. But I worried that others might not automatically assume that I hid behind mcmc in the possibility that I died. This is a pretty clear cut thing that we can gain good solid info on and I didn't want any of that up in the air or possibly being confused.

It also saves us the time I was gonna spend continuing to scum read you lol.

[Dylan32]

Yeah this actually just took a fantastic turn for town. 2 essentially unkillable ICs + one likely IC without outing a single PR that can be killed on D2 is awesome!

PPE 1

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

Has anybody thought about the possibility that a slot wasn't taken?

Also I really like this plan

[mcmcsalot]

So there is also an outside chance twm is scum and pretending to hide behind me for the towncred but I think that's extremely unlikely given what twm has said/done.

[mcmcsalot]

I've been spam texting my brother #fiveunkillableicsthedream since I got this power and developed this plan. #winthroughstrenghtnotthroughsmarts

[O]

I think TWM should be the L-1 vote for any wagon, and coordinate with MCMC so they vote in quick succession (coordinate in thread, not advocating cheating).

Scum could 1. sacrifice themselves to break up the plan and get PR kills or 2. Hopefully be the one we're wagoning regardless, and we need to try and avoid the self hammer.

This is why hammer hero is a slightly MEH role to include, for future reference @Robz, forces a bit too much metagaming like this.

[Dylan32]

I think TWM should be the L-1 vote for any wagon, and coordinate with MCMC so they vote in quick succession (coordinate in thread, not advocating cheating).

Scum could 1. sacrifice themselves to break up the plan and get PR kills or 2. Hopefully be the one we're wagoning regardless, and we need to try and avoid the self hammer.

This is why hammer hero is a slightly MEH role to include, for future reference @Robz, forces a bit too much metagaming like this.

So if we have an inventor, give one of mcmc or twm the neighbor item so they can have a permanent QT to coordinate in

[mcmcsalot]

I think TWM should be the L-1 vote for any wagon, and coordinate with MCMC so they vote in quick succession (coordinate in thread, not advocating cheating).

Scum could 1. sacrifice themselves to break up the plan and get PR kills or 2. Hopefully be the one we're wagoning regardless, and we need to try and avoid the self hammer.

This is why hammer hero is a slightly MEH role to include, for future reference @Robz, forces a bit too much metagaming like this.

So if we have an inventor, give one of mcmc or twm the neighbor item so they can have a permanent QT to coordinate in

I think this is a fantastic idea. Me and twm can shadow vote: playername to indicate where we are pushing our scum reads and those should be treated as votes that will be posted upon reaching what would otherwise be a lynch or l-2.

[Dylan32]

Although to be fair, Role Cop and Watcher were probably both would have been taken before inventor, so probably would have been someone who got a random slot.

[Galzria]

 Hmm... I've missed a But!

I'm trying to think of ways this fails us, and the best I can come up with is:

If Mcmc & TWM are scum partners, we're handing them the game. They'll effectively be unlynchable (due to perceived IC status), and Unkillable at night.

That said, I definitely believe that's significantly less likely than them being town.

Does this semi-solve the game?

At most there are 6 scum left (4 mafia/2 WW). Even if they coordinate together in thread with all 6 alive, they would need to control half the town to prevent mcmc/TWM from working. That's 6 spots with 12 players alive.

Right now there are 20 players. That gives us 8 "spare" before we're at that point - and that assumes that between now and then no scum die.

Further, it would require all scum to openly out themselves and work together at that point - which seems unlikely.

I -think- town more or less locks this up with this combo-claim. Caveat from above on them not being scum buddies of course.

[Galzria]

A lot* is what I missed, not a But.

[faust]

One more thing needs clarification.

If the Hider hides behind a player that is protected from a nightkill, and that player is targeted by a nightkill, will the Hider die?

I don't agree with Robz' understanding of night action resolution I think, but that's not really important.