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[Cuzz]

Any reason we should believe mcmc is town vs. scum hammer hero?

I think mcmc's mistake about the scum QT is too hard to fabricate.

Wackjob theory: mcmc is SK Hammer Hero. He had both NKs last night while mafia failed to kill him due to odd-night bulletproofing.

ppe: a few

[O]

MCMC could still claim and present this plan if his scumteam has any role from slot 10, but obviously once you put conditionals like that you accept that the default likely assumption is a town claim.

[2.71828.....]

Problems we might have with mcmc's plan:

- 1-shot Strongman. Hammer Hero says "completely safe", so this is not an issue I think? Robz, can you clarify?
- 1-shot Bus Driver. I am not sure on how Bus Driver & Hider would interact if they targeted the same player. Asking for clarification here as well.

I think that is all. Sounds good so far.

Order of Operations
Commuting
Hammer Hero killing / self-protecting
Hiding
Lightning Rod activates
Bus Driving
Other actions happen simultaneously (Roleblocking takes priority over jailing if there’s a conflict)
After all else… Godfather-ing takes effect (does not register same night)

I would think the hider should be safe (given everything else)

Haven't fully thought through mcmc's plan yet though

[Dylan32]

While I don't think town would have actually taken the hider unless they got it from the fully random slot due to the general vibe I've gotten of it being a weak role, if we do have one, I don't think they should actually claim since them dying reveals the flip right? As long as they hide behind mcmc, if they survive tonight, they claim and we are happy, if they die, we assume mcmc was actually scum right? Of course that would hinge on the hider actually following through with the plan.

PPE 2

[Cuzz]

Problems we might have with mcmc's plan:

- 1-shot Strongman. Hammer Hero says "completely safe", so this is not an issue I think? Robz, can you clarify?
- 1-shot Bus Driver. I am not sure on how Bus Driver & Hider would interact if they targeted the same player. Asking for clarification here as well.

I think that is all. Sounds good so far.

I believe hammer hero is safe even from strongman kills, and Hider cannot be targeted by bus driver:

Order of Operations
Commuting
Hammer Hero killing / self-protecting
Hiding
Lightning Rod activates
Bus Driving
Other actions happen simultaneously (Roleblocking takes priority over jailing if there’s a conflict)
After all else… Godfather-ing takes effect (does not register same night)

ppe: e

[mcmcsalot]

Problems we might have with mcmc's plan:

- 1-shot Strongman. Hammer Hero says "completely safe", so this is not an issue I think? Robz, can you clarify?
- 1-shot Bus Driver. I am not sure on how Bus Driver & Hider would interact if they targeted the same player. Asking for clarification here as well.

I think that is all. Sounds good so far.

I have clarified both wit rob already but he can confirm. Hammerhero is completly unkillable, so Since I can't die the hider behind me can't die.
Also I cannot have my hammerhero protection bus driven off me. Hider hides before bus driver takes effect so the hider would already be hiding once the bus driver activated. All actions after that would be moved from me to whoever they bussdrove me toward.

Ppe 4

[O]

While I don't think town would have actually taken the hider unless they got it from the fully random slot due to the general vibe I've gotten of it being a weak role, if we do have one, I don't think they should actually claim since them dying reveals the flip right? As long as they hide behind mcmc, if they survive tonight, they claim and we are happy, if they die, we assume mcmc was actually scum right? Of course that would hinge on the hider actually following through with the plan.

PPE 2

Well the hider is unconditionally safe if MCMC is telling the truth and unconditionally dead if MCMC is lying, if we go through with the plan. So if you consider that a hider has far more credibility if they claim earlier i think claiming today would be better.

Also Hider isn't weak compared to the other two in slot ten really.. motion detector is blegh and gambler is hilarious but really weak also.

[2.71828.....]

Any reason we should believe mcmc is town vs. scum hammer hero?

I think mcmc's mistake about the scum QT is too hard to fabricate.

Wackjob theory: mcmc is SK Hammer Hero. He had both NKs last night while mafia failed to kill him due to odd-night bulletproofing.

ppe: a few

No way does SK take hammer hero and attract that kind of attention.

I am inclined to believe mcmc is town with his claim/plan, but still not confident that his plan will work how he thinks it will.

[Cuzz]

While I don't think town would have actually taken the hider unless they got it from the fully random slot due to the general vibe I've gotten of it being a weak role, if we do have one, I don't think they should actually claim since them dying reveals the flip right? As long as they hide behind mcmc, if they survive tonight, they claim and we are happy, if they die, we assume mcmc was actually scum right? Of course that would hinge on the hider actually following through with the plan.

PPE 2

Well the hider is unconditionally safe if MCMC is telling the truth and unconditionally dead if MCMC is lying, if we go through with the plan. So if you consider that a hider has far more credibility if they claim earlier i think claiming today would be better.

Also Hider isn't weak compared to the other two in slot ten really.. motion detector is blegh and gambler is hilarious but really weak also.

What if mcmc and hider are both scum?

[O]

While I don't think town would have actually taken the hider unless they got it from the fully random slot due to the general vibe I've gotten of it being a weak role, if we do have one, I don't think they should actually claim since them dying reveals the flip right? As long as they hide behind mcmc, if they survive tonight, they claim and we are happy, if they die, we assume mcmc was actually scum right? Of course that would hinge on the hider actually following through with the plan.

PPE 2

Well the hider is unconditionally safe if MCMC is telling the truth and unconditionally dead if MCMC is lying, if we go through with the plan. So if you consider that a hider has far more credibility if they claim earlier i think claiming today would be better.

Also Hider isn't weak compared to the other two in slot ten really.. motion detector is blegh and gambler is hilarious but really weak also.

What if mcmc and hider are both scum?

Then the hider claiming still benefits us???

[LaLight]

Anyway I don't think we should question mcmc before D3. I personally am ready to treat him as IC until it will be known there's no hider to backup his claim

Ppe: lots

[O]

I already addressed scum hider:

MCMC could still claim and present this plan if his scumteam has any role from slot 10, but obviously once you put conditionals like that you accept that the default likely assumption is a town claim.

I was specifically talking about hider claiming if we accept the plan.

[Cuzz]

While I don't think town would have actually taken the hider unless they got it from the fully random slot due to the general vibe I've gotten of it being a weak role, if we do have one, I don't think they should actually claim since them dying reveals the flip right? As long as they hide behind mcmc, if they survive tonight, they claim and we are happy, if they die, we assume mcmc was actually scum right? Of course that would hinge on the hider actually following through with the plan.

PPE 2

Well the hider is unconditionally safe if MCMC is telling the truth and unconditionally dead if MCMC is lying, if we go through with the plan. So if you consider that a hider has far more credibility if they claim earlier i think claiming today would be better.

Also Hider isn't weak compared to the other two in slot ten really.. motion detector is blegh and gambler is hilarious but really weak also.

What if mcmc and hider are both scum?

Then the hider claiming still benefits us???

I just mean that your assertion "the hider is unconditionally safe if MCMC is telling the truth and unconditionally dead if MCMC is lying" fails here.

[mcmcsalot]

Hider has built in cop utility belt telegraphing who they hid behind. It's by far the best role of that slot.

[2.71828.....]

While I don't think town would have actually taken the hider unless they got it from the fully random slot due to the general vibe I've gotten of it being a weak role, if we do have one, I don't think they should actually claim since them dying reveals the flip right? As long as they hide behind mcmc, if they survive tonight, they claim and we are happy, if they die, we assume mcmc was actually scum right? Of course that would hinge on the hider actually following through with the plan.

PPE 2

Well the hider is unconditionally safe if MCMC is telling the truth and unconditionally dead if MCMC is lying, if we go through with the plan. So if you consider that a hider has far more credibility if they claim earlier i think claiming today would be better.

Also Hider isn't weak compared to the other two in slot ten really.. motion detector is blegh and gambler is hilarious but really weak also.

What if mcmc and hider are both scum?

Then the hider claiming still benefits us???

And yeah. While theoretically possible, I doubt scum wraps themselves up so tightly in a plot like that

[The_Wine_Merchant]

I'll play.

Hard evidence is just phrase that Awaclus likes to hide behind.

I am the hider and I hid behind Awaclus last night, and lived. PS. Robz approved the above breadcrumb. I will hide behind mcmc so long as he gets the hammer and will take death proof.

If I survive the night this will confirm mcmc, myself and Awaclus as town, correct? Although I think there are some possibilities of Awaclus still being scum, such as him being a scum commuter? I am willing to die if it shows mcmc is scum.

[Dylan32]

While I don't think town would have actually taken the hider unless they got it from the fully random slot due to the general vibe I've gotten of it being a weak role, if we do have one, I don't think they should actually claim since them dying reveals the flip right? As long as they hide behind mcmc, if they survive tonight, they claim and we are happy, if they die, we assume mcmc was actually scum right? Of course that would hinge on the hider actually following through with the plan.

PPE 2

Well the hider is unconditionally safe if MCMC is telling the truth and unconditionally dead if MCMC is lying, if we go through with the plan. So if you consider that a hider has far more credibility if they claim earlier i think claiming today would be better.

Also Hider isn't weak compared to the other two in slot ten really.. motion detector is blegh and gambler is hilarious but really weak also.

Random idea that could be added to the plan.  If we have a town inventor somehow and a hider claims today, give the hider a neighbor item today so mcmc and the hider can be unkillable neighbors for the rest of the game.

PPE 4 + some

[Roadrunner7671]

Mcmcsalot did you have first pick overall?

[Robz888]

Problems we might have with mcmc's plan:

- 1-shot Strongman. Hammer Hero says "completely safe", so this is not an issue I think? Robz, can you clarify?
- 1-shot Bus Driver. I am not sure on how Bus Driver & Hider would interact if they targeted the same player. Asking for clarification here as well.

I think that is all. Sounds good so far.

Strongman cannot kill the Hammer Hero if the Hammer Hero chooses protection.

Hider and Hammer Hero both resolve before Bus Driver takes effect, so the Bus Driver won't impact either of their actions.

[The_Wine_Merchant]

Actions directed toward me won't affect me, as I will be hiding.

[Roadrunner7671]

Actions directed toward me won't affect me, as I will be hiding.

Nice

[Dylan32]

I'll play.

Hard evidence is just phrase that Awaclus likes to hide behind.

I am the hider and I hid behind Awaclus last night, and lived. PS. Robz approved the above breadcrumb. I will hide behind mcmc so long as he gets the hammer and will take death proof.

If I survive the night this will confirm mcmc, myself and Awaclus as town, correct? Although I think there are some possibilities of Awaclus still being scum, such as him being a scum commuter? I am willing to die if it shows mcmc is scum.

Sweet.

[LaLight]

I'll play.

Hard evidence is just phrase that Awaclus likes to hide behind.

I am the hider and I hid behind Awaclus last night, and lived. PS. Robz approved the above breadcrumb. I will hide behind mcmc so long as he gets the hammer and will take death proof.

If I survive the night this will confirm mcmc, myself and Awaclus as town, correct? Although I think there are some possibilities of Awaclus still being scum, such as him being a scum commuter? I am willing to die if it shows mcmc is scum.

That's a very bad claim

[2.71828.....]

Mcmcsalot did you have first pick overall?

Don't need to claim this yet I think.

[mcmcsalot]

Actions directed toward me won't affect me, as I will be hiding.

Oh yay I also don't have to scumread you anymore this is getting better and better!