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[AndrewisFTTW]

Just because I don't post about something (like reads) doesn't mean I don't have an opinion on it. I wasn't voting gkrieg because I was trying to get caught up, which I never did, and I didn't want to derphammer by accident as unlikely as that would be.

And since I did correctly interpret your sarcastic response to Jimm...

Vote: Cuzz

[Jimmmmm]

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[The_Wine_Merchant]

I am not feeling the Andrew wagon. gkrieg was significantly different yesterday and I had a question mark next to him in my QT, so I see where Andrew's vote was coming from.

At the least I think we can say Andrew and ash aren't scum partners. As I think they would have argued against a gkrieg NK.

[The_Wine_Merchant]

Someone I remember having a strong town read on sudgy? Or am I making that up? Otherwise he might become my preferred lynch today. But I can't remember/find it while on the iPad.

[Cuzz]

I am not feeling the Andrew wagon. gkrieg was significantly different yesterday and I had a question mark next to him in my QT, so I see where Andrew's vote was coming from.

At the least I think we can say Andrew and ash aren't scum partners. As I think they would have argued against a gkrieg NK.

The vast vast majority of pairs of people in this game are not scum partners.

[Cuzz]

Someone I remember having a strong town read on sudgy? Or am I making that up? Otherwise he might become my preferred lynch today. But I can't remember/find it while on the iPad.

I can't fathom why anyone could have a townread on someone who has posted that little.

[Cuzz]

Just because I don't post about something (like reads) doesn't mean I don't have an opinion on it. I wasn't voting gkrieg because I was trying to get caught up, which I never did, and I didn't want to derphammer by accident as unlikely as that would be.

And since I did correctly interpret your sarcastic response to Jimm...

Vote: Cuzz

Andrew, can you explain why you think my response to Jimmmm is indicative of a scum alignment?

[LaLight]

wow, the night was quite cool. But I really do wonder what stays behing both kills, they are quite weird

[LaLight]

I want to vote: Space for that JR vote and for this post:

Cuzz is the one who looks the most partnerish, but you know, the evidence is thin.

I'm not sure Calamitas would do too much forced interaction, since his meta is to have even more of a hard time of D1 than I do. I specifically asked him a question to get him to say something, and because a conversation about claiming and evidence is something I can do much better than a conversation about reads.

I didn't pick up anything alignment-indicative from the way he responded. If his death came from a third-faction shot hoping to hit scum, I think it's a pretty lucky kill. Why wouldn't they go after someone who's more likely to be a PR?

I can perfectly see it coming from Calamitas' partner

[sudgy]

I know faust kind of did this already, but I feel like there's a bit of info to be gleaned from Calamitas' posts.  These are the only two posts that he mentions other players:

This game is really huge.

In regard to the game, I don't like the extent to which TWM is talking about vigs here.

Can someone voting for JReggie present the case in a nytshell?

I don't like that first one.  Of all the things people were talking about (mainly a lot of setup speculation), Calamitas mentions TWM's vig talk, which he only mentioned twice, and the last mention was several pages before.  It's just an awkward thing to mention.  I've already had a scumread on TWM anyway, so maybe there's confirmation bias, but I feel like this is the only thing that Calamitas said that could lead to anything.  There's also this interaction:

Guys, I cannot follow really. Can someone give me a short version with the reasoning for all claims with all relevant evidence?
(Please tag it with @Cala). This game is just crazy.

@Cala.

Very few if any of the votes have any substantial reasons at all. This is the hardest game I have had getting reads that are much good at all and I am fully caught up and aware. This isn't going to change until we get some flips. But apparently we want 4 more days of it.

Calamitas makes a plea for people to talk to him, and TWM is the only one who responds.  Also, TWM is basically just saying "It's okay, just keep lurking."

Basically, Calamitas and TWM seemed to notice each other more than others did.  I know it's not terribly useful info, but I feel like it's something.  I still find TWM to be scummy, so Vote: The_Wine_Merchant for now.

[faust]

I strongly think Cuzz is town. Clearly this means Faust is scummy for suspecting Cuzz.

Vote: Faust

please don't question my obvious softclaim it's anti-town to not let everyone softclaim in entirely unverifiable ways that scum could easily abuse and anyone who disagrees with this meta is clearly scummy.

Also I'm going to arbitrarily declare that other people are towny at various points please don't question this i just like power and control.

I like you too.

[faust]

To clarify: The vote on Faust was not in any way satirical, though it's not a particularly vested vote. Strongly identifying seemingly random people as town without any evidence of it being PR related (as it was his style d1 too) is scum tactics.

Strongly identifying seemingly random plays as scum tactics without any evidence of it is scum tactics.

[faust]

Not at all surprised Calamitas was scum, though. If he had done anything yesterday I probably would have voted him.

What's that supposed to mean?

[faust]

Yeah I agree with the consensus about mcmc being town.

It's hardly a consensus of 2 people are voting for him...

[faust]

Also this is a bad vote and I'm not sure you've been paying attention to anything I've done all game if this is enough for you to vote for me.

What have you done this game that you think shows that you are town?

[faust]

I was happy with my vote on Andrew yesterday and I'm glad someone else will join me.

Vote: Andrew

You've seen me as scum. How is my play here similar to my scum games?

AndrewisTOWN

Not that sure actually. I mostly just wanted to write that.

[faust]

I didn't pick up anything alignment-indicative from the way he responded. If his death came from a third-faction shot hoping to hit scum, I think it's a pretty lucky kill. Why wouldn't they go after someone who's more likely to be a PR?

This is a scummy post. Apparently Space has thought a fair bit about who is and isn't likely to be a PR.

[faust]

wow, the night was quite cool. But I really do wonder what stays behing both kills, they are quite weird

Why do you think the gkrieg kill is weird? It seems pretty standard to me.

[O]

To clarify: The vote on Faust was not in any way satirical, though it's not a particularly vested vote. Strongly identifying seemingly random people as town without any evidence of it being PR related (as it was his style d1 too) is scum tactics.

Strongly identifying seemingly random plays as scum tactics without any evidence of it is scum tactics.

Yet unfortunately we don't appear to share a scum QT.. must be a mistake on Robz's part.

I'm just going off my personal experiences here. I tend to ID a bunch of townies as town when I'm scum, it's so easy to do and only backfires occasionally.

Then again I also try and bus all my teammates so I can win for our faction as the last one alive, in truly heroic fashion. And you don't appear to do that, but maybe you have and I just don't know yet.

PPE: I agree with you that SA post is confusingly scummy, why isn't Gkrieg likely to be a PR?

[faust]

Basically, Calamitas and TWM seemed to notice each other more than others did.  I know it's not terribly useful info, but I feel like it's something.  I still find TWM to be scummy, so Vote: The_Wine_Merchant for now.

I dunno. You point at two interactions, which is definitely more than average, but there are other people that Calamitas interacted with more. The first is just Calamitas clutching to setup and PR discussions (as usual), and for the second post, TWMs post is the post post after Calamitas asks that, so it's kinda natural that he would respond. Both these things seem very weak evidence to me and this looks more like confirmation bias.

[faust]

PPE: I agree with you that SA post is confusingly scummy, why isn't Gkrieg likely to be a PR?

Oh, he was talking about Calamitas. Sorry, I snipped that part of the post.

[faust]

Dammit. They. Sorry

[LaLight]

wow, the night was quite cool. But I really do wonder what stays behing both kills, they are quite weird

Why do you think the gkrieg kill is weird? It seems pretty standard to me.

I thought gkrieg is kinda scummy. There were more townie people, like Cuzz or O, or Galzria, or you for that matter. This actually pings me that one of the most townie-looking persons is scum.

PPE: 2

[faust]

To clarify: The vote on Faust was not in any way satirical, though it's not a particularly vested vote. Strongly identifying seemingly random people as town without any evidence of it being PR related (as it was his style d1 too) is scum tactics.

Strongly identifying seemingly random plays as scum tactics without any evidence of it is scum tactics.

Yet unfortunately we don't appear to share a scum QT.. must be a mistake on Robz's part.

I'm just going off my personal experiences here. I tend to ID a bunch of townies as town when I'm scum, it's so easy to do and only backfires occasionally.

Then again I also try and bus all my teammates so I can win for our faction as the last one alive, in truly heroic fashion. And you don't appear to do that, but maybe you have and I just don't know yet.

Well I like the occasional bus where it's necessary, but I don't want to overdo it. I definitely got a partner lynched D1 before. But I like to have at least one partner alive as a backup. Somehow people start getting suspicious if I live through all the way to MyLo.

[faust]

wow, the night was quite cool. But I really do wonder what stays behing both kills, they are quite weird

Why do you think the gkrieg kill is weird? It seems pretty standard to me.

I thought gkrieg is kinda scummy. There were more townie people, like Cuzz or O, or Galzria, or you for that matter. This actually pings me that one of the most townie-looking persons is scum.

PPE: 2

Well there are obvious reasons not to target a universal town read even if that read is correct. Watcher, Doctor etc. gkrieg was scummish and unlikely to be targeted by these, yet dangerous. Hence standard kill.