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[O]

I thought O was the 2 shot vig

Awaclus is alive tho

The serial killer has odd night bulletproof tho

I have an extremely strong town read on Roadrunner. This is definitely a softclaim.

[The_Wine_Merchant]

I don't think any of my info was confusing or half or misleading. Take it for what it was. I'll say more if I have more to say.

[O]

I don't think any of my info was confusing or half or misleading. Take it for what it was. I'll say more if I have more to say.

it wasn't in the slightest, I just think it was said way too early/ridiculously too blatantly for how early it is. Could definitely have waited until Awaclus was actually close to being at risk, and breadcrumb it slightly more softly for incase you get Nightkilled. Also I don't think Jimmmmm is scummy for anything he said.

[Robz888]

Vote Count 2.1

Cuzz (1): faust
mcmcsalot (2): JaketheBaseballGod22, Jimmmmm
Jimmmmm (1): The_Wine_Merchant
faust (1): O
O (1): Awaclus

Not Voting (14): RoadRunner7671, 2.7128...., Dylan32, LaLight, sudgy, iguanaiguana, SpaceAnemone, mcmcsalot, ashersky, AndrewisFTTW, Cuzz, Galzria, pingpongsam, Eevee

With 20 alive it takes just 10 to lynch. Day 2 ends on Sunday, May 28th, at 11:00 AM Forum Time.

[AndrewisFTTW]

Yeah I agree with the consensus about mcmc being town. I kinda missed the end of yesterday so I probably need to reread that before posting much else.

Vote: Jimmm

Why?

I think because you seem to be trying to fish the source of info and are somehow not understanding why that might be anti-town.

Sorry I don't buy this at all. I don't think fishing is really a thing anyway.

Vote: Cuzz

[Cuzz]

Yeah I agree with the consensus about mcmc being town. I kinda missed the end of yesterday so I probably need to reread that before posting much else.

Vote: Jimmm

Why?

I think because you seem to be trying to fish the source of info and are somehow not understanding why that might be anti-town.

Sorry I don't buy this at all. I don't think fishing is really a thing anyway.

Vote: Cuzz

I was clarify to Jimmmm what was clearly TWM/Awaclus's reasoning. I was not trying to imply that I subscribed to that reasoning myself.

But also, of course generally fishing is a thing.

Also this is a bad vote and I'm not sure you've been paying attention to anything I've done all game if this is enough for you to vote for me.

Also you're among my top scumreads since yesterday anyway, and omgus is fun so Vote: Andrew

[Cuzz]

I want to know more about Jake and Jimmmm's votes for mcmc.

To both of you: What do you think about mcmc's mistake regarding the scum QT? Please read that carefully because I think it should be clearly accounted for if you truly believe he is scum.

[pingpongsam]

I was happy with my vote on Andrew yesterday and I'm glad someone else will join me.

Vote: Andrew

[AndrewisFTTW]

Yeah I agree with the consensus about mcmc being town. I kinda missed the end of yesterday so I probably need to reread that before posting much else.

Vote: Jimmm

Why?

I think because you seem to be trying to fish the source of info and are somehow not understanding why that might be anti-town.

Sorry I don't buy this at all. I don't think fishing is really a thing anyway.

Vote: Cuzz

I was clarify to Jimmmm what was clearly TWM/Awaclus's reasoning. I was not trying to imply that I subscribed to that reasoning myself.

But also, of course generally fishing is a thing.

Also this is a bad vote and I'm not sure you've been paying attention to anything I've done all game if this is enough for you to vote for me.

Also you're among my top scumreads since yesterday anyway, and omgus is fun so Vote: Andrew

Oh really? What about my like 4 posts has you convinced I'm scum?

[AndrewisFTTW]

Yes of course fishing is a thing, I just don't think people do it

[AndrewisFTTW]

I was happy with my vote on Andrew yesterday and I'm glad someone else will join me.

Vote: Andrew

You've seen me as scum. How is my play here similar to my scum games?

[iguanaiguana]

Andrew, I am confused why your first post of the day started with Also.

[AndrewisFTTW]

Andrew, I am confused why your first post of the day started with Also.

Because mcmc said also in his second post, it was kind of a play off of that.

[SpaceAnemone]

Cuzz is the one who looks the most partnerish, but you know, the evidence is thin.

I'm not sure Calamitas would do too much forced interaction, since his meta is to have even more of a hard time of D1 than I do. I specifically asked him a question to get him to say something, and because a conversation about claiming and evidence is something I can do much better than a conversation about reads.

I didn't pick up anything alignment-indicative from the way he responded. If his death came from a third-faction shot hoping to hit scum, I think it's a pretty lucky kill. Why wouldn't they go after someone who's more likely to be a PR?

[O]

I was happy with my vote on Andrew yesterday and I'm glad someone else will join me.

Vote: Andrew

You've seen me as scum. How is my play here similar to my scum games?

presumably you tunneled on later-confirmed town members in your scum games aswell?

personally I don't get why you're voting for Cuzz for explaining other people's reasoning for being mad at Jimmmm. That seems very tangential to any real reason to me.

[pingpongsam]

I was happy with my vote on Andrew yesterday and I'm glad someone else will join me.

Vote: Andrew

You've seen me as scum. How is my play here similar to my scum games?

Initially flippant and dismissive, never fully committed to his reads until its clutch time. Doesn't bother posting much unless there's some traction to gain somewhere for the scum team. Otherwise largely ignores any pressure towards him. Like water like fog. Expect this to be amplified in a larger game where it takes longer for clutch time to arrive.

[SpaceAnemone]

Not at all surprised Calamitas was scum, though. If he had done anything yesterday I probably would have voted him.

Really? What did you see there?

[mcmcsalot]

I want to know more about Jake and Jimmmm's votes for mcmc.

To both of you: What do you think about mcmc's mistake regarding the scum QT? Please read that carefully because I think it should be clearly accounted for if you truly believe he is scum.

I would love to know this as well. My guess is Jake legitimately thinks I'm scummy (I don't think he has a fantastic scum radar) and I think jimm is "policy" voting me for ending the day early when he asked for time to catch up.

[SpaceAnemone]

To clarify: The vote on Faust was not in any way satirical, though it's not a particularly vested vote. Strongly identifying seemingly random people as town without any evidence of it being PR related (as it was his style d1 too) is scum tactics.

You're claiming that your vote isn't satirical, but your behaviour following TWM's though on Awaclus seems to be trying to add confusion/uncertainty around softclaiming that really doesn't need to be there (for example with your softclaim on RR at #1550, which I now take to be some kind of illustrative fabrication on your part). Why should we not encourage people tie their opinions to others' alignments?

[AndrewisFTTW]

I was happy with my vote on Andrew yesterday and I'm glad someone else will join me.

Vote: Andrew

You've seen me as scum. How is my play here similar to my scum games?

Initially flippant and dismissive, never fully committed to his reads until its clutch time. Doesn't bother posting much unless there's some traction to gain somewhere for the scum team. Otherwise largely ignores any pressure towards him. Like water like fog. Expect this to be amplified in a larger game where it takes longer for clutch time to arrive.

Wow it's like you keeps notes on people or something. But I disagree with the "doesn't bother posting much...". In my two recent scum games I posted a ton D1. In this game I was very busy and also very overwhelmed by the amount of posts and didn't feel like I had much to add since I was so far behind.

I was happy with my vote on Andrew yesterday and I'm glad someone else will join me.

Vote: Andrew

You've seen me as scum. How is my play here similar to my scum games?

presumably you tunneled on later-confirmed town members in your scum games aswell?

personally I don't get why you're voting for Cuzz for explaining other people's reasoning for being mad at Jimmmm. That seems very tangential to any real reason to me.

I took Cuzz's post to be slightly sarcastic in a "I shouldn't have to explain this to you" way. Apparently that was incorrect. And are you implying that I was tunneling gkrieg? I wouldn't necessarily call it that considering I posted so little. And he wasn't my only scumread.

Unvote

[O]

To clarify: The vote on Faust was not in any way satirical, though it's not a particularly vested vote. Strongly identifying seemingly random people as town without any evidence of it being PR related (as it was his style d1 too) is scum tactics.

You're claiming that your vote isn't satirical, but your behaviour following TWM's though on Awaclus seems to be trying to add confusion/uncertainty around softclaiming that really doesn't need to be there (for example with your softclaim on RR at #1550, which I now take to be some kind of illustrative fabrication on your part). Why should we not encourage people tie their opinions to others' alignments?

Are you asking about my vote on Faust or my opinion of softclaims? I'm not against softclaims, but I fail to see the benefit of doing it at the start of today when Awaclus is at no risk of being lynched soon. Even if you're worried about Nightkills you do it at the end of the day or once a wagon starts to deny Mafia the ability to play today around that information.

[pingpongsam]

Not at all surprised Calamitas was scum, though. If he had done anything yesterday I probably would have voted him.

Really? What did you see there?

Clammy toes lurking, hiding, and sneakily staying out of sight. But anyway, I always scum read was what I was really saying.

[mcmcsalot]

Not at all surprised Calamitas was scum, though. If he had done anything yesterday I probably would have voted him.

Really? What did you see there?

Clammy toes lurking, hiding, and sneakily staying out of sight. But anyway, I always scum read was what I was really saying.

Wait you are saying you always scum read calm?

[Cuzz]

Also you're among my top scumreads since yesterday anyway, and omgus is fun so Vote: Andrew

Oh really? What about my like 4 posts has you convinced I'm scum?

Glad you asked! And nice try on using your own lurky behavior to dissuade scumreads on you.

For anyone interested in possibly voting for Andrew today, please consider the following:


Andrew's first post of the day was this:

Gettin' the vibes from e. The scummy ones.

Vote: e

This post features a vote with no justification of any kind. That's ok in this case since this was still RVS more or less. But it was Andrew's only post of the game for the next 4.5 hours or so--not a lot objectively, but there was a LOT of activity during that period D1, and it seemed mildly suspicious to pop in just to plant an RVS vote.

He spends most of the rest of the day tunnelling gkrieg:

which is interesting because all this time his vote is still on e and doesn't vote for gkrieg until after ash votes for him:

Still not totally caught up yet but I do agree with ash about gkrieg. He just seems a little off and not like his assertive scumhunting town self.

Vote: gkrieg

The rest of the content from D1 is discussion of his own meta and whether he would act this way as scum, which I think is a scumtell. Too lazy to pull all those quotes, but there's a bunch and he even does it in his deeper quote here:

I was happy with my vote on Andrew yesterday and I'm glad someone else will join me.

Vote: Andrew

You've seen me as scum. How is my play here similar to my scum games?

presumably you tunneled on later-confirmed town members in your scum games aswell?

personally I don't get why you're voting for Cuzz for explaining other people's reasoning for being mad at Jimmmm. That seems very tangential to any real reason to me.

I took Cuzz's post to be slightly sarcastic in a "I shouldn't have to explain this to you" way. Apparently that was incorrect. And are you implying that I was tunneling gkrieg? I wouldn't necessarily call it that considering I posted so little. And he wasn't my only scumread.

Unvote

To respond to these last pieces above:

a. My post definitely was "slightly sarcastic in a 'I shouldn't have to explain this to you' way."

b. I would call it tunneling. See all the citations above.

c. If Andrew had other scumreads and can point me to posts D1 that illustrated that, I'd love to see them, but he can't because I just combed through all his posts and they're not there.

[Jimmmmm]

I want to know more about Jake and Jimmmm's votes for mcmc.

To both of you: What do you think about mcmc's mistake regarding the scum QT? Please read that carefully because I think it should be clearly accounted for if you truly believe he is scum.

I would love to know this as well. My guess is Jake legitimately thinks I'm scummy (I don't think he has a fantastic scum radar) and I think jimm is "policy" voting me for ending the day early when he asked for time to catch up.

It's not a policy vote, it's more of an "I think you're vaguely scummy so I'm happy to put you on 2 pending further re-reading.