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[The_Wine_Merchant]

I don't get why OMGUS is such a bad thing. I have had good results from it.

And caught for the wrong reasons doesn't work. I mean, sure it can happen. But you can't rely on it. It is a fluke. How do you differentiate between scum caught for the wrong reasons and town being suspected for the wrong, or bad, reasons?

Show me that and give a rationale for it that can actually mean something and I'll give you the time of day. Until then it is just a bad justification for what is often a lazy vote to begin with.

[Dylan32]

mcmc did something townie. I don't remember what it was. Oh wait. I liked that he said we should take notes (maybe if I had taken notes I would have remembered that easier). Sure anyone can suggest it for towncred, I acknowledge that but he gets towncred anyway.

So, vote: sudgy

I'll sheep faust

Great OMGUS.

It feels like scum feeling caught for the wrong reasons.

In my limited experience this is a shitty justification to vote for someone. Too many feels in there. You feel that I feel that they feel. Never really works out that way.

I've seen scum (including myself) caught by this very thing, so I think it's a very valid case to be made.

I've also been on the receiving end of scum using that case to try to get me lynched, and have seen that more than I've seen it actually catch scum, so it might be valid at times, but it is probably weak.

[The_Wine_Merchant]

Don't think I ever got an answer from Andrew. Feeling like all I really have to do today is decide if faust and Andrew are town or not. Andrew because he's scary as scum and faust because he is controlling the game upon entrance.

TWM sheeping faust on voting sudgy looks terrible for both of them.

Has Andrew posted since you asked. People need to remember WW are still in the first day. Too much acting like this game has been around longer than it has.

And are you suggesting Faust and I are partners. If you think that you should say so instead of hiding in the bushes.

[Dylan32]

I don't get why OMGUS is such a bad thing. I have had good results from it.

And caught for the wrong reasons doesn't work. I mean, sure it can happen. But you can't rely on it. It is a fluke. How do you differentiate between scum caught for the wrong reasons and town being suspected for the wrong, or bad, reasons?

Show me that and give a rationale for it that can actually mean something and I'll give you the time of day. Until then it is just a bad justification for what is often a lazy vote to begin with.

I think the rationale is based more on the reaction the person has and how they defend themselves than the reasons being used to accuse them.  As you can tell from my previous post, I don't really care for it, but it isn't always completely wrong.

[iguanaiguana]

When I think of PPS, hiding in the bushes does not come to mind.

[The_Wine_Merchant]

When I think of PPS, hiding in the bushes does not come to mind.

Bad Sean Spicer reference.

[Dylan32]

Actually, I could see him hiding in the bushes, holding a large mallet, and waiting to hammer an unsuspecting kid in a wagon without first announcing his intent to do so.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

I don't get why OMGUS is such a bad thing. I have had good results from it.

And caught for the wrong reasons doesn't work. I mean, sure it can happen. But you can't rely on it. It is a fluke. How do you differentiate between scum caught for the wrong reasons and town being suspected for the wrong, or bad, reasons?

Show me that and give a rationale for it that can actually mean something and I'll give you the time of day. Until then it is just a bad justification for what is often a lazy vote to begin with.

M99 in a nutshell

[The_Wine_Merchant]

I don't get why OMGUS is such a bad thing. I have had good results from it.

And caught for the wrong reasons doesn't work. I mean, sure it can happen. But you can't rely on it. It is a fluke. How do you differentiate between scum caught for the wrong reasons and town being suspected for the wrong, or bad, reasons?

Show me that and give a rationale for it that can actually mean something and I'll give you the time of day. Until then it is just a bad justification for what is often a lazy vote to begin with.

M99 in a nutshell

I was just a casual observer of that game and while I know that people thought you were a different type of mafia than you were, you were just being generally scummy and off your typical meta and thought their votes were justified regardless of what alignment they thought you were. So not sure if that situation applies very well.

[O]

I still feel like we haven't had substantial conversation about my draft/roles topic, only haphazard conversation about whether the conversation is supposedly anti-town or pro-town, in which i was never convinced it was anti-town.

I also feel like the past non-small amount of pages have had absolutely nothing substantial. We have a cool, interesting format that Robz gifted and you all seem to be elected to stick your heads in the sand and talk about your uber-special "day one reads" as if they have any real bearing at all.

When I was scum in past games I would figuratively just dartboard my reads day one and I pretty much never ran into trouble with it. It's some weird fiction yall have if you really think arbitrary informationless day one pre-wagon read discussion is helpful.

So, to pose a discussion question. If you grant the assumptions that 1. I'm town and 2. I have the magical powers of deduction to have decent probability guesses on whether some people have strong roles or not, should I 1. focus on those I suspect to have power roles 2. focus on those I expect to be unimportant VTs or 3. Put my head in the sand and pretend I never was able to make these educated guesses?

[The_Wine_Merchant]

Probably number 1.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

I still feel like we haven't had substantial conversation about my draft/roles topic, only haphazard conversation about whether the conversation is supposedly anti-town or pro-town, in which i was never convinced it was anti-town.

I also feel like the past non-small amount of pages have had absolutely nothing substantial. We have a cool, interesting format that Robz gifted and you all seem to be elected to stick your heads in the sand and talk about your uber-special "day one reads" as if they have any real bearing at all.

When I was scum in past games I would figuratively just dartboard my reads day one and I pretty much never ran into trouble with it. It's some weird fiction yall have if you really think arbitrary informationless day one pre-wagon read discussion is helpful.

So, to pose a discussion question. If you grant the assumptions that 1. I'm town and 2. I have the magical powers of deduction to have decent probability guesses on whether some people have strong roles or not, should I 1. focus on those I suspect to have power roles 2. focus on those I expect to be unimportant VTs or 3. Put my head in the sand and pretend I never was able to make these educated guesses?

Definitely 3.... JK probably 1

[2.71828.....]

Probably number 1.

And out all our PRs....

This is an interesting question. I thunk you would want to do a mix of 1 and 2

[The_Wine_Merchant]

Although I do feel like I have a halfway decent reads going both ways on some people on/off my wagon as a result of it. So it hasn't been completely useless.

[2.71828.....]

Which, combining 1 and 2 is actually just doing number 3. So yeah. Stick your head in the sand.

[gkrieg13]

Probably number 1.

And out all our PRs....

This is an interesting question. I thunk you would want to do a mix of 1 and 2

This way.  I think who has PRs and doesn't is irrelevant to who is scum and town, considering we got the order before we were given alignments.

[2.71828.....]

 You can pull your head out on d3

[gkrieg13]

Obviously it is important to use that information for night actions and such.  Targeting a VT with a Tracker won't get you very far...

[O]

Probably number 1.

And out all our PRs....

This is an interesting question. I thunk you would want to do a mix of 1 and 2

This way.  I think who has PRs and doesn't is irrelevant to who is scum and town, considering we got the order before we were given alignments.

oh it absolutely is. The first question is dependent on the sub-question "what roles do we think are more beneficial for town than mafia, and visa-versa".

[2.71828.....]

Probably number 1.

And out all our PRs....

This is an interesting question. I thunk you would want to do a mix of 1 and 2

This way.  I think who has PRs and doesn't is irrelevant to who is scum and town, considering we got the order before we were given alignments.

oh it absolutely is. The first question is dependent on the sub-question "what roles do we think are more beneficial for town than mafia, and visa-versa".

Then you will be asking why we don't have an IC. I thought we covered this?

[O]

Probably number 1.

And out all our PRs....

This is an interesting question. I thunk you would want to do a mix of 1 and 2

This way.  I think who has PRs and doesn't is irrelevant to who is scum and town, considering we got the order before we were given alignments.

oh it absolutely is. The first question is dependent on the sub-question "what roles do we think are more beneficial for town than mafia, and visa-versa".

Then you will be asking why we don't have an IC. I thought we covered this?

no because the previous "covering" of it was bad math or w/e


I can't imagine ever having an IC.

IC is more beneficial to town than it is to Mafia. That's not very relevant as 2-shot town vig is more beneficial to town than IC is, so I would expect a 2-shot vig regardless of whether town or mafia got draft role 1.

[gkrieg13]

But the proportion of mafia that have roles and town that have roles should be almost* the same. 

*yes I know that mafia got to plan, which means they all bid for different slots.  Actually I agree with you.  Having that information makes it so that mafia were more likely to get roles than town, but not that much, I wouldn't think.

[The_Wine_Merchant]

Probably number 1.

And out all our PRs....

This is an interesting question. I thunk you would want to do a mix of 1 and 2

This way.  I think who has PRs and doesn't is irrelevant to who is scum and town, considering we got the order before we were given alignments.

oh it absolutely is. The first question is dependent on the sub-question "what roles do we think are more beneficial for town than mafia, and visa-versa".

Then you will be asking why we don't have an IC. I thought we covered this?

Why don't we again. We talked about it, but I don't know if we got a good answer. I am still concerned about it.

[pingpongsam]

Don't think I ever got an answer from Andrew. Feeling like all I really have to do today is decide if faust and Andrew are town or not. Andrew because he's scary as scum and faust because he is controlling the game upon entrance.

TWM sheeping faust on voting sudgy looks terrible for both of them.

Has Andrew posted since you asked. People need to remember WW are still in the first day. Too much acting like this game has been around longer than it has.

And are you suggesting Faust and I are partners. If you think that you should say so instead of hiding in the bushes.

I know he hadn't posted. I'm just reminding me and everyone else the question stands regardless of activity level.

I'm not jumping to contrived conclusions. The crappy vote on miss komen was bad and the sheeping was worse. That stands regardless of any other implications which aren't relevant right now. You can't diffusé the crappiness because I refuse to make an equally crappy rash analysis. At this point either or both of you could be scum or town making crappy plays.

Lol at hammering a kid in the wagon, though. I'm not doing that today although I did consider it. It just doesn't work as well as I thought it might.

[The_Wine_Merchant]

Good response from pps and not the first. I hadn't intended my question to him to get a good read from, but I think it did